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I didn't say that party affiliation isn't a matter of public record, I said that voting record isn't =/ I wouldn't label them as right wing ('biens-pensants'),

by fao_ 10y ago

I didn't say that party affiliation isn't a matter of public record, I said that voting record isn't =/ I wouldn't label them as right wing ('biens-pensants'), but as post-left[0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-left_anarchy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-left_anarchy

throwanem 10y ago
You talked about faking party affiliation, though, so the point seemed relevant. If I read you correctly, you're describing the alt-right as post-left anarchists. I think many who favor the label might quibble somewhat with that analysis. At the very least, I'd be interested to see some elaboration on it.
- fao_ 10y ago
  The a̶l̶t̶-̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ fascist-right (This conversion is well supported by comparing the two ideologies) generally support figures like Brendan Eich, because he shares their viewpoints. He has a history of financing right-wing parties. After some more research, I was incorrect with the label 'post-left', however you were extremely incorrect about the label 'a̶l̶t̶-̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ fascist-right'. The push to get Brendan Eich out of Mozilla was not done by people who use the a̶l̶t̶-̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ fascist-right label, but rather by people in the LGBT sub-community of left-wing (At least, as I understand it that was their overlap). i.e. people who think that it was inappropriate for him to fund anti-progressive legislation with money acquired from the open source movement.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    I can see that you feel strongly about the equation of "alt-right" with "fascist", but beyond that I'm having some trouble grasping the point you're trying to make. Are you taking me to mean "right-wing" by bien-pensant? The term refers to orthodoxy of thought, not to any specific political tendency.
    - fao_ 10y ago
      > I can see that you feel strongly about the equation of "alt-right" with "fascist", It is not that I feel strongly about it, it is that the 'alternative right' ideology is close enough to various fascist ideologies to make the difference almost none. The effort to get them known as 'alt-right' is political effort to try and legitimise their various causes. I think that the philosophies are so old, and have been fought again, and again, and again by people who persue freedom[0] enough to make the whole argument ridiculously obsolete. I was taking you to mean 'right-wing' by 'bien-pensant', because I was not aware of the nuance in meaning. [0]: Yes, I am aware of the various disparities in meaning of the word 'freedom'. In this sense I mean that isolating the rights of people based on various characteristics of them (Say, their religion, sexuality, etc.) is very, very wrong -- and the people who support this are against the very tenets of personal freedom.

by fao_ 10y ago

throwanem 10y ago

You talked about faking party affiliation, though, so the point seemed relevant. If I read you correctly, you're describing the alt-right as post-left anarchists. I think many who favor the label might quibble somewhat with that analysis. At the very least, I'd be interested to see some elaboration on it.

fao_ 10y ago
The a̶l̶t̶-̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ fascist-right (This conversion is well supported by comparing the two ideologies) generally support figures like Brendan Eich, because he shares their viewpoints. He has a history of financing right-wing parties. After some more research, I was incorrect with the label 'post-left', however you were extremely incorrect about the label 'a̶l̶t̶-̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ fascist-right'. The push to get Brendan Eich out of Mozilla was not done by people who use the a̶l̶t̶-̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ fascist-right label, but rather by people in the LGBT sub-community of left-wing (At least, as I understand it that was their overlap). i.e. people who think that it was inappropriate for him to fund anti-progressive legislation with money acquired from the open source movement.
- throwanem 10y ago
  I can see that you feel strongly about the equation of "alt-right" with "fascist", but beyond that I'm having some trouble grasping the point you're trying to make. Are you taking me to mean "right-wing" by bien-pensant? The term refers to orthodoxy of thought, not to any specific political tendency.
  - fao_ 10y ago
    > I can see that you feel strongly about the equation of "alt-right" with "fascist", It is not that I feel strongly about it, it is that the 'alternative right' ideology is close enough to various fascist ideologies to make the difference almost none. The effort to get them known as 'alt-right' is political effort to try and legitimise their various causes. I think that the philosophies are so old, and have been fought again, and again, and again by people who persue freedom[0] enough to make the whole argument ridiculously obsolete. I was taking you to mean 'right-wing' by 'bien-pensant', because I was not aware of the nuance in meaning. [0]: Yes, I am aware of the various disparities in meaning of the word 'freedom'. In this sense I mean that isolating the rights of people based on various characteristics of them (Say, their religion, sexuality, etc.) is very, very wrong -- and the people who support this are against the very tenets of personal freedom.