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There should only be 3 options to moderation that are acceptable 1. Removal of Post outright 2. Editing of post WITH ATTRIBUTION or Acknowledgement of edit 3

by syshum 10y ago

There should only be 3 options to moderation that are acceptable 1. Removal of Post outright 2. Editing of post WITH ATTRIBUTION or Acknowledgement of edit 3. Banning of user/thread/topic/etc with full and open disclosure This habit of Redit and other sites have of "hidden" moderation needs to end The Practice of silent moderation, silent editing of post, shadow bans, etc should not be acceptable to anyone that values free Speech And before you go off on your moronic tangent about Reddit not being a democracy. Yes Reddit can legally choose to censor anyone they want, or do anything they want really on their platform, that is not the topic of debate. The topic of debate is around do YOU a presumed reddit user want to continue to support such a site. Do you want to visit an ecochamber of heavily censored topics and discussion? Reddit became popular on the back of having very very very few limits on expression, the reason people flocked to it was because of open and uncensored discussion. If the site Admin's want to turn it into a Democrat echo chamber free of any alternative view points they are free to do so. I am also free to fucking call them censorious fuckwits if they do Some how I have a feeling you would not hold the same opinion spez did this to a community you approve of, or on topic you approve of //and for the record, and I should not have to say it but I feel I need to which is telling in itself, I did not vote for, nor do I support Donald Trump. I have been for more than 20 years a Libertarian, and voted for Gary Johnson in 2016

raverbashing 10y ago
I think Shadowban has an important role in spammers and (heavy) trolls. It should not be discarded Free speech has a limit, unfortunately, because large groups can't police themselves. And then the trolls take over (either on the internet or outside, see Antifa) > Do you want to visit an ecochamber of heavily censored topics and discussion? No, but if you go to the_donald that's what you get. Or do you really think they don't censor certain discussions? > Some how I have a feeling you would not hold the same opinion spez did this to a community you approve of, or on topic you approve of The topic or community is irrelevant, because it was directed to a troll. A message like "F U $ADM" has no place in any subreddit
- syshum 10y ago
  >>Free speech has a limit, unfortunately, Sorry no. The second you limit speech it is no longer free speech. This is a concept people have a hard time grasping. People that say reddit is not free expression are correct. It is limited expression. There used to be fewer limits, than today, and reddit seems to want to massively increase those limits even more. >because large groups can't police themselves Based on your subjective view on what they should and should not say they cant. >No, but if you go to the_donald that's what you get. Or do you really think they don't censor certain discussions? Dont know, never once visited, dont care what they do We are not talking about the Policies of a indivual subreddit. Most subreddits are not for Free Expression, most are topic based and heavily censoured to ensure the topic of discussion stays on topic. For example posting political threads on /r/sysadmin is not allowed, I have no problem with this as the rules are fully disclosed, open, and I know what I am getting into when I subscribed You see I have no problem with Moderation. I have extreme problems with SECRET moderation. >A message like "F U $ADM" has no place in any subreddit I would tend to agree, and would have no problem the SPEZ removing the posts. But redirecting F U $ADM to F U $MOD secretly is not the solution, it is childish and should not be viewed as acceptable.
- ManlyBread 10y ago
  >I think Shadowban has an important role in spammers and (heavy) trolls. Shadowban is a common knowledge at this point, writing a script that checks if the account is shadowbanned is trivial. At this point it only hurts actual users.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  > I think Shadowban has an important role in spammers and (heavy) trolls. It should not be discarded I agree; anyone who disagrees has never moderated anything. It's asymmetric warfare; moderating a single troll costs about ten times the effort that troll puts in, and it scales geometrically from there.
  - ryanlol 10y ago
    You're not very good at moderating things if you need shadowbans. >It's asymmetric warfare; moderating a single troll costs about ten times the effort that troll puts in, and it scales geometrically from there. This really makes no sense. Moderators are always in the advantageous position.
18212294587 10y ago
> The topic of debate is around do YOU a presumed reddit user want to continue to support such a site. Yes. Absolutely.

by syshum 10y ago

raverbashing 10y ago

I think Shadowban has an important role in spammers and (heavy) trolls. It should not be discarded Free speech has a limit, unfortunately, because large groups can't police themselves. And then the trolls take over (either on the internet or outside, see Antifa) > Do you want to visit an ecochamber of heavily censored topics and discussion? No, but if you go to the_donald that's what you get. Or do you really think they don't censor certain discussions? > Some how I have a feeling you would not hold the same opinion spez did this to a community you approve of, or on topic you approve of The topic or community is irrelevant, because it was directed to a troll. A message like "F U $ADM" has no place in any subreddit

syshum 10y ago
>>Free speech has a limit, unfortunately, Sorry no. The second you limit speech it is no longer free speech. This is a concept people have a hard time grasping. People that say reddit is not free expression are correct. It is limited expression. There used to be fewer limits, than today, and reddit seems to want to massively increase those limits even more. >because large groups can't police themselves Based on your subjective view on what they should and should not say they cant. >No, but if you go to the_donald that's what you get. Or do you really think they don't censor certain discussions? Dont know, never once visited, dont care what they do We are not talking about the Policies of a indivual subreddit. Most subreddits are not for Free Expression, most are topic based and heavily censoured to ensure the topic of discussion stays on topic. For example posting political threads on /r/sysadmin is not allowed, I have no problem with this as the rules are fully disclosed, open, and I know what I am getting into when I subscribed You see I have no problem with Moderation. I have extreme problems with SECRET moderation. >A message like "F U $ADM" has no place in any subreddit I would tend to agree, and would have no problem the SPEZ removing the posts. But redirecting F U $ADM to F U $MOD secretly is not the solution, it is childish and should not be viewed as acceptable.
ManlyBread 10y ago
>I think Shadowban has an important role in spammers and (heavy) trolls. Shadowban is a common knowledge at this point, writing a script that checks if the account is shadowbanned is trivial. At this point it only hurts actual users.
pavel_lishin 10y ago
> I think Shadowban has an important role in spammers and (heavy) trolls. It should not be discarded I agree; anyone who disagrees has never moderated anything. It's asymmetric warfare; moderating a single troll costs about ten times the effort that troll puts in, and it scales geometrically from there.
- ryanlol 10y ago
  You're not very good at moderating things if you need shadowbans. >It's asymmetric warfare; moderating a single troll costs about ten times the effort that troll puts in, and it scales geometrically from there. This really makes no sense. Moderators are always in the advantageous position.

18212294587 10y ago

> The topic of debate is around do YOU a presumed reddit user want to continue to support such a site. Yes. Absolutely.