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Has it really been 2 years already? I'm still waiting for a decent build system for .NET projects for Linux or macOS. Last time I tried (~6 months ago), it wa

Has it really been 2 years already? I'm still waiting for a decent build system for .NET projects for Linux or macOS. Last time I tried (~6 months ago), it was a tire fire.

flukus 10y ago
Make?
electricEmu 10y ago
Either FAKE (F# Make) or CAKE (C# Make) work perfectly on NIX/BSD systems. The new build system FOR .NET Core works great too with `dotnet build`.
- FlorianRappl 10y ago
  Yes, Cake is wonderful, however, I had great problems bringing it to work due to a lot of issues with NuGet v3 (UTC positive offset bug, looking for msbuild.exe to restore packages, ...). Luckily, I could switch to NuGet v2. Bottom line is: CAKE is great, but if the project depends on things that are not covered by dotnet core one is still screwed.
- ungzd 10y ago
  > The new build system FOR .NET Core works great too with `dotnet build` They've deprecated it: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-to-project-json/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-t...
  - matthewwarren 10y ago
    `dotnet build` still works, they've just changed the underlying implementation from the 'project.json' based one to instead use MBBuild
  - enricosada 10y ago
    just `dotnet migrate` if you have an old project.json, or create a new one with `dotnet new`. after that as usual - dotnet restore - dotnet build - dotnet run - dotnet pack - dotnet publish - dotnet test the cli is the same, the dotnet/cli team added other commands too (dotnet msbuild, dotnet clean, and more in development using an extensibility to install global commands)
    - matthewwarren 10y ago
      > the dotnet/cli team added other commands too (dotnet msbuild, dotnet clean, and more in development using an extensibility to install global commands) Yeah the cmd extensibility story it pretty nice, I had a go at writing a 'dotnet benchmark' cmd and it was pretty straight-forward, see http://mattwarren.org/2016/10/03/Adding-a-verb-to-the-dotnet-CLI-tooling/ http://mattwarren.org/2016/10/03/Adding-a-verb-to-the-dotnet...
ungzd 10y ago
It's even more tire fire now: they're announced 'project.json' build system, but deprecated it[1] in favor of older msbuild. But it's still mentioned on front page of .NET core[2] and used as the primary build system in latest version (I don't know if .NET core even has msbuild, tried only mono). Almost everyone think that you need some specific IDE (either Visual Studio or Monodevelop/Xamarin Studio/VS for mac (this is the same thing lol)), even in opensource communities[3]. And MSDN is the slowest and hardest to use web documentation I ever seen. Everything non-Windows non-VS is still very, very second-class. [1] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-to-project-json/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-t... [2] https://www.microsoft.com/net/core https://www.microsoft.com/net/core [3] http://community.monogame.net/t/creating-a-new-monogame-proyect/8404 http://community.monogame.net/t/creating-a-new-monogame-proy...
- enricosada 10y ago
  ms is maintaining project.json based sdk too with version preview2, so devs can continue to work, no need to switch to new msbuild soon (wait until is done). ide are good (intellsiense/debugging), especially vscode, but sdk works already from command line and text editor. about docs, check the new docs website (oss, accept pr): - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/articles/core/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/articles/core/ - the getting started doc https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/articles/core/getting-started https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/articles/core/gettin... has tutorial for everyone (cli/vs/vscode/xam), and all os. is not vs centric
- pjmlp 10y ago
  > And MSDN is the slowest and hardest to use web documentation I ever seen It is also one of the best company provided documentation out there. Have you ever used online documentation from Apple, Google, Borland, SAP, Oracle, ...?
ghuntley 10y ago
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNUUAIGHupc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNUUAIGHupc (4 minutes) Read this https://weblog.west-wind.com/posts/2016/Nov/23/NET-Standard-20-Making-Sense-of-NET-Again https://weblog.west-wind.com/posts/2016/Nov/23/NET-Standard-...
ghuntley 10y ago
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNUUAIGHupc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNUUAIGHupc (4 minutes) Read this https://weblog.west-wind.com/posts/2016/Nov/23/NET-Standard-20-Making-Sense-of-NET-Again https://weblog.west-wind.com/posts/2016/Nov/23/NET-Standard-...
louhike 10y ago
I might be off topic, but JetBrains is making a cross-platform .NET IDE which is currently in open beta. I tested it and it had no difficulties to open/build/execute existing solutions.

Has it really been 2 years already? I'm still waiting for a decent build system for .NET projects for Linux or macOS. Last time I tried (~6 months ago), it was a tire fire.

flukus 10y ago

Make?

electricEmu 10y ago

Either FAKE (F# Make) or CAKE (C# Make) work perfectly on NIX/BSD systems. The new build system FOR .NET Core works great too with `dotnet build`.

FlorianRappl 10y ago
Yes, Cake is wonderful, however, I had great problems bringing it to work due to a lot of issues with NuGet v3 (UTC positive offset bug, looking for msbuild.exe to restore packages, ...). Luckily, I could switch to NuGet v2. Bottom line is: CAKE is great, but if the project depends on things that are not covered by dotnet core one is still screwed.
ungzd 10y ago
> The new build system FOR .NET Core works great too with `dotnet build` They've deprecated it: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-to-project-json/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-t...
- matthewwarren 10y ago
  `dotnet build` still works, they've just changed the underlying implementation from the 'project.json' based one to instead use MBBuild
- enricosada 10y ago
  just `dotnet migrate` if you have an old project.json, or create a new one with `dotnet new`. after that as usual - dotnet restore - dotnet build - dotnet run - dotnet pack - dotnet publish - dotnet test the cli is the same, the dotnet/cli team added other commands too (dotnet msbuild, dotnet clean, and more in development using an extensibility to install global commands)
  - matthewwarren 10y ago
    > the dotnet/cli team added other commands too (dotnet msbuild, dotnet clean, and more in development using an extensibility to install global commands) Yeah the cmd extensibility story it pretty nice, I had a go at writing a 'dotnet benchmark' cmd and it was pretty straight-forward, see http://mattwarren.org/2016/10/03/Adding-a-verb-to-the-dotnet-CLI-tooling/ http://mattwarren.org/2016/10/03/Adding-a-verb-to-the-dotnet...

ungzd 10y ago

It's even more tire fire now: they're announced 'project.json' build system, but deprecated it[1] in favor of older msbuild. But it's still mentioned on front page of .NET core[2] and used as the primary build system in latest version (I don't know if .NET core even has msbuild, tried only mono). Almost everyone think that you need some specific IDE (either Visual Studio or Monodevelop/Xamarin Studio/VS for mac (this is the same thing lol)), even in opensource communities[3]. And MSDN is the slowest and hardest to use web documentation I ever seen. Everything non-Windows non-VS is still very, very second-class. [1] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-to-project-json/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-t... [2] https://www.microsoft.com/net/core https://www.microsoft.com/net/core [3] http://community.monogame.net/t/creating-a-new-monogame-proyect/8404 http://community.monogame.net/t/creating-a-new-monogame-proy...

enricosada 10y ago
ms is maintaining project.json based sdk too with version preview2, so devs can continue to work, no need to switch to new msbuild soon (wait until is done). ide are good (intellsiense/debugging), especially vscode, but sdk works already from command line and text editor. about docs, check the new docs website (oss, accept pr): - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/articles/core/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/articles/core/ - the getting started doc https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/articles/core/getting-started https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/articles/core/gettin... has tutorial for everyone (cli/vs/vscode/xam), and all os. is not vs centric
pjmlp 10y ago
> And MSDN is the slowest and hardest to use web documentation I ever seen It is also one of the best company provided documentation out there. Have you ever used online documentation from Apple, Google, Borland, SAP, Oracle, ...?

ghuntley 10y ago

Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNUUAIGHupc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNUUAIGHupc (4 minutes) Read this https://weblog.west-wind.com/posts/2016/Nov/23/NET-Standard-20-Making-Sense-of-NET-Again https://weblog.west-wind.com/posts/2016/Nov/23/NET-Standard-...

ghuntley 10y ago

louhike 10y ago

I might be off topic, but JetBrains is making a cross-platform .NET IDE which is currently in open beta. I tested it and it had no difficulties to open/build/execute existing solutions.