Well I still don't know exactly why you focused on this tangent. I do understand your idea that it is an example of the losers writing history, however you didn

Well I still don't know exactly why you focused on this tangent. I do understand your idea that it is an example of the losers writing history, however you didn't initially put it forth as such, and it seems like this much debate on this topic is out of place. We'll just have to agree to disagree about 600,000 dying because the south was deplorable in its unwillingness to give up slavery. The north also had a pattern of subjugating the south which clearly played a part, but I'm not going to get into this tangential debate nor do I even have a firm stance on the state's rights vs slavery debate, but I think it's crazy to ignore the facts, and tend to write opinions. You wrote earlier 'America engaged in some light imperialism.' Stop opining, the fact is America sailed in with a bunch of war ships, said play along with our economic scheme (Mercantilism, what economists call 'economic wafare' and Japan knew that, they saw what happened to China). When they said no, Perry shelled a building, and they said Ok stop, fine. They didn't have a choice, really. Those are the facts. That's what I've been writing. You have been writing a lot of the opinions and I don't appreciate that you did that while saying what I wrote is 'revisionism.' If it is factually wrong, then point to a source and show that. What you've done are mostly write opinions - you did lay down some correct history, but nothing which supported your conclusions. I'd appreciate it next time if you did less opining and stuck to the facts, especially if you wish to write deriding remarks.