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How many people in a jury do you think would share your feelings?

by 77pt77 10y ago

EduardoBautista 10y ago
Seeing how people rarely view businesses as the "good guy", it is likely that many people would.
- fucking_tragedy 10y ago
  I don't know. Corporations have been able to paint individuals as leeches trying to take advantage of businesses pretty successfully with their frivolous lawsuits are ruining America narrative. For example, the McDonald's coffee case involved an elderly woman with 3rd degree burns inflicted on her genitalia. I can't think of a more sympathetic victim, yet her case is the poster child for supposed frivolous lawsuits hurting businesses.
  - leephillips 10y ago
    Even if the coffee were at the boiling temperature, how could it have caused 3rd degree burns?
    - DanBC 10y ago
      "3rd degree" just means full thickness burns. She was an older woman, thus had thinner skin; the spill was onto clothing; the spill was into a seat where she had limited mobility. But ignoring all of that: hot water is dangerous and can cause full thickness burns in seconds. http://www.accuratebuilding.com/services/legal/charts/hot_water_burn_scalding_graph.html http://www.accuratebuilding.com/services/legal/charts/hot_wa... At 60 C you'd have full thickness burns in 5 seconds.
      - leephillips 10y ago
        Thanks for the explanation. I had some misconceptions about this stuff, clearly.
    - bertiewhykovich 10y ago
      Ask the facts, man. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaura...
    - Mz 10y ago
      This has graphic photos of the victim's wounds (they are quite unpleasant): https://www.quora.com/How-did-McDonalds-lose-the-hot-coffee-lawsuit https://www.quora.com/How-did-McDonalds-lose-the-hot-coffee-... As someone who used to process accident claims for a large insurance company, I will suggest that if you spill hot water in your lap in a public place, you are probably not going to whip the clothing off right then and there to protect yourself from the burns. She is also elderly and elderly people have slower reflexes and can be more vulnerable to all kinds of health issues.
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    - nommm-nommm 10y ago
      Spill an entire cup of boiling water in your lap while sitting in the passengers seat of a car while wearing cotton sweatpants and find out. Don't actually do this, you'll likely end up with serious disfiguring injuries such as: >Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[11] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (9 kg, nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her to 83 pounds (38 kg). After the hospital stay, Liebeck needed care for 3 weeks, provided by her daughter.[12] Liebeck suffered permanent disfigurement after the incident and was partially disabled for two years.[13][14] Basically very hot water is dangerous and it's much easier to get a serious injury from it than you'd think.
  - flycaliguy 10y ago
    If you haven't seen the documentary Hot Coffee, I highly recommend it. Very interesting look at that case.
khedoros1 10y ago
Depends on which "prestigious organization" it was and how convincingly the defense lawyer could frame it as a David vs Goliath situation, rather than straight-up blackmail.
- devoply 10y ago
  When you do business, understand money makes everyone into a sociopath. So you are dealing with a sociopath. A sociopath that has the law on his or her side. Remember this well. Don't trust sociopaths, and don't trust anyone that you do business with to hold up their end of the deal if they can get away with it. Start with this and you'll limit your exposure. They will still screw you now and then, but you limit the amount of damage they can do to you.
mgkimsal 10y ago
a "jury of their peers" would likely include a fair # of self-employed folks who've been shafted on payments, so... I'd say a lot.
- infinite8s 10y ago
  That's not how they select peers.

How many people in a jury do you think would share your feelings?

by 77pt77 10y ago

How many people in a jury do you think would share your feelings?

EduardoBautista 10y ago

Seeing how people rarely view businesses as the "good guy", it is likely that many people would.

fucking_tragedy 10y ago
I don't know. Corporations have been able to paint individuals as leeches trying to take advantage of businesses pretty successfully with their frivolous lawsuits are ruining America narrative. For example, the McDonald's coffee case involved an elderly woman with 3rd degree burns inflicted on her genitalia. I can't think of a more sympathetic victim, yet her case is the poster child for supposed frivolous lawsuits hurting businesses.
- leephillips 10y ago
  Even if the coffee were at the boiling temperature, how could it have caused 3rd degree burns?
  - DanBC 10y ago
    "3rd degree" just means full thickness burns. She was an older woman, thus had thinner skin; the spill was onto clothing; the spill was into a seat where she had limited mobility. But ignoring all of that: hot water is dangerous and can cause full thickness burns in seconds. http://www.accuratebuilding.com/services/legal/charts/hot_water_burn_scalding_graph.html http://www.accuratebuilding.com/services/legal/charts/hot_wa... At 60 C you'd have full thickness burns in 5 seconds.
    - leephillips 10y ago
      Thanks for the explanation. I had some misconceptions about this stuff, clearly.
  - bertiewhykovich 10y ago
    Ask the facts, man. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaura...
  - Mz 10y ago
    This has graphic photos of the victim's wounds (they are quite unpleasant): https://www.quora.com/How-did-McDonalds-lose-the-hot-coffee-lawsuit https://www.quora.com/How-did-McDonalds-lose-the-hot-coffee-... As someone who used to process accident claims for a large insurance company, I will suggest that if you spill hot water in your lap in a public place, you are probably not going to whip the clothing off right then and there to protect yourself from the burns. She is also elderly and elderly people have slower reflexes and can be more vulnerable to all kinds of health issues.
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  - nommm-nommm 10y ago
    Spill an entire cup of boiling water in your lap while sitting in the passengers seat of a car while wearing cotton sweatpants and find out. Don't actually do this, you'll likely end up with serious disfiguring injuries such as: >Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[11] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (9 kg, nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her to 83 pounds (38 kg). After the hospital stay, Liebeck needed care for 3 weeks, provided by her daughter.[12] Liebeck suffered permanent disfigurement after the incident and was partially disabled for two years.[13][14] Basically very hot water is dangerous and it's much easier to get a serious injury from it than you'd think.
- flycaliguy 10y ago
  If you haven't seen the documentary Hot Coffee, I highly recommend it. Very interesting look at that case.

khedoros1 10y ago

Depends on which "prestigious organization" it was and how convincingly the defense lawyer could frame it as a David vs Goliath situation, rather than straight-up blackmail.

devoply 10y ago
When you do business, understand money makes everyone into a sociopath. So you are dealing with a sociopath. A sociopath that has the law on his or her side. Remember this well. Don't trust sociopaths, and don't trust anyone that you do business with to hold up their end of the deal if they can get away with it. Start with this and you'll limit your exposure. They will still screw you now and then, but you limit the amount of damage they can do to you.

mgkimsal 10y ago

a "jury of their peers" would likely include a fair # of self-employed folks who've been shafted on payments, so... I'd say a lot.

infinite8s 10y ago
That's not how they select peers.