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How sad. People concerned about interference in elections aren't people who lost - it's not a partisan issue whether Russian intelligence or the FBI is interfer
by hackuser 10y ago
How sad. People concerned about interference in elections aren't people who lost - it's not a partisan issue whether Russian intelligence or the FBI is interfering in US elections.
> If they messed with enough voting machines to make a difference, NSA etc would know about it
That's completely theoretical and U.S. intelligence's real track record isn't nearly that good. There was Pearl Harbor, the Bay of Pigs, the collapse of the Soviet Union, 9/11, being unaware of Saddam Hussein's WMD programs before the first Gulf War, a false positive on Hussein's WMD programs for the second one, stolen nuclear warhead and stealth fighter plans (among many others); major hacks of many major government facilities including Dept of State, OPM (which include files on undercover spies), and many more; and finally, during the election, the successful attack on the DNC. - Those are just the highlights. I don't feel as confident as you do.
Finally, sometimes government doesn't tell the public everything. President Johnson knew that Nixon was privately negotiating with the North Vietnamese, undermining U.S. foreign policy, but chose to say nothing because (AFIAK) he thought it would be too disruptive.
None of that is evidence that something happened, of course; only that we can't rely on the NSA to detect everything and notify the public about it.
- redthrowaway 10y agoThere is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any hacking. Period. There is no reason to believe it occurred. This is just leftists grieving about losing the election, and refusing to admit they nominated a terrible candidate and adopted a platform that is actively repellant to voters in states they needed to win. By all means, the IC should be double-checking to ensure the vote was legitimate. But the left needs to accept that it was and move past the insane conspiracy theory stage of the grieving process.
- karmelapple 10y agoThe vote counts are off in many counties, including having more votes in a county than registered voters. It's not evidence of hacking, but it's evidence that the vote tallies are wrong. At a minimum a recount and analysis should be done to determine root cause of why the numbers are wrong.
- redthrowaway 10y ago>The vote counts are off in many counties, including having more votes in a county than registered voters. This is simply not true. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking... http://www.snopes.com/audit-the-vote/ http://www.snopes.com/audit-the-vote/
- karmelapple 10y agoThanks for the corrections! I hadn't personally verified this stuff, and will certainly stop repeating it.
- afandian 10y agoI hope this will be taken as non-partisan, but, at least from the perspective of the UK, Trump was the one saying "the election is rigged". Was that reported in the US?
- hackuser 10y agoYes, only Trump said it and many outside his world strongly rejected it.
- redthrowaway 10y agoHe was, when he thought he would lose. It's just as bad for the left to make those claims now as it was for him to make them then. Attacking the legitimacy of elections without evidence is bad, full stop.
- hackuser 10y agoThe author of the article agrees: He says it's unlikely and wants to check the evidence.
- makomk 10y agoYes, and back when Trump was one saying it, it was treated not just as a conspiracy theory but as a dangerous attack on democracy itself. Both social media and the press were insistent that this was ridiculous and impossible.