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Yes, they do, but they also say, "Pay what you want"
by codewritinfool 10y ago
Yes, they do, but they also say, "Pay what you want"
- rhizome 10y agoI don't mean to be glib, but this is a pretty Sheldon-esque line of reasoning.
- crimsonalucard 10y agoNo it's not. "Pay what you want" is the most prominent statement on the whole page. The one dollar minimum for content is obscure. edit: why do people vote me down when what I say is true? I'm sorry but I'm not willing to pay for tutorials on open source applications that I can otherwise legally get for free. Humble Bundle isn't even a non-profit corporation. They are a private for-profit corporation where profit is the bottom line and donations to charity are more of a marketing gimmick used to reach that bottom line. Humble Bundle is a highly, highly profitable middle man operation that banks on the altruism of people.
- Jtsummers 10y agoThe $1 minimum is above the particular tier. Along with the marking for the $8 and $15 tiers. And when you enter in the amount you want to pay, they tell you exactly what you will (or will not) get.
- khedoros1 10y agoEven less prominent is the "free" tier. You'll get one book for it.
- __jal 10y agoI didn't down vote you, but was tempted, so I'll explain. Yes, you are stating a true fact. However, I'm pretty sure that the vast number of people who see these things do not consider the distinction you draw vastly more deceptive than, well, any other advertising out there, and much less so than most. Compare with, say, Comcast, and this is a model of clarity. An additional reason is that it is somewhat derailing to rant about what many would think to be trivial quibbles about advertising copy in the middle of what is otherwise a discussion about the usefulness of the books, ORA, etc.
- crimsonalucard 10y agoNothing was derailed, I think my comment was the first. Additionally, I believe it is more deceptive then your traditional advertisement. How much "Pay what you want" deals are out there? It is a very unique marketing strategy.
- ehec 10y agoThere is a german word for your behaviour. i-Tüpferl-Reiter http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/i_Tuepferl_Reiter http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/i_Tuepferl_Reiter Which roughly translates to: The need to make something better even if it is already as good as it gets
- crimsonalucard 10y agoI never mentioned such a need. What I mentioned was deception conducted by the company. Perhaps it is just misguided perception. People can't take a statement at face value, they must always make an assumption.
- rhizome 10y agoIt may be imprecise, but "deceptive" is a bit harsh.
- crimsonalucard 10y agoDeceptive is a bit harsh, but is it not the truth? One can be deceptive by being imprecise.
- rhizome 10y agoSo let's cut to the chase: is that what they're doing here?
- crimsonalucard 10y agoThey are being imprecise by your own admission. Yes.
- rhizome 10y agoOne can be deceptive by being imprecise The question is whether this imprecision qualifies as deception.
- themoat 10y agoI didn't down vote you, but it seems like you're being intentionally literal to the point of being a bit obtuse. Technically you are correct, I understand that. The majority of people can look past the technicality but you, for some reason, won't. It's like complaining about an all you can eat restaurant being falsely named because technically, I can eat more at home. Technically, they made a false claim, it's really only all I can eat in one visit, but nobody would be so petty as to complain about that. Would they?
- pixelcloud 10y agoOtherwise known as; a lack of common sense/understanding
- crimsonalucard 10y agoWoah there, did you just say I lack common sense? Is that a personal attack? We all know everyone on HN loves personal attacks.
- crimsonalucard 10y agoIn a buffet common sense reigns because everybody knows what a buffet is: an all you can eat deal in a single meal. Everyone knows this because buffets are numerous and have existed long before you or I have existed. A humble bundle is not common sense. There is only one company currently doing this and therefore there is no intrinsic knowledge of the nature of what I am purchasing, in fact the humble bundle was invented within the last decade meaning most of you existed before humble bundle existed. There is nothing "obvious" about this. You cannot equate this to a buffet. It's a ludicrous analogy similar to equating linux books to atomic bombs because both involve software of some sort. Honestly how many of you knew there was a one dollar minimum without reading about it? Or did you even know about the "free tier" without reading about it? Nothing on that page is obvious.
- themoat 10y agoI must admit. I am stumped. I feel like I'm engaged in a debate to which I do not understand the rules. I simply do not understand the motivation behind your arguments. I recognize that you are arguing, but I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why. You are talking about something that is clearly on the screen. There are 3 distinct blocks of books. They have a dollar value shown above them. I would say that requires a bit of common sense, or perhaps hovering over the text "Pay what you want" and reading for a second. In fact, in order to get to the custom amount input box at the bottom of the screen, I count no less than 3 times you had to ignore the stipulation that the price was $1 for that tier of books. Pay what you want is not a lie. It has a stipulation.
- Lio 10y agoI guess you can pay nothing but it does seem a little mean considering how cheap the suggested minimum prices are for the bundles and that it's all for charity. I say thanks O'Reilly, promotions like this are why you're still so great after all these years.
- oneeyedpigeon 10y agoI think it is reasonably obvious that "pay what you want" can never be 100% literal. Can I pay π dollars? Obviously not. Can I pay negative one trillion? Of course I can't. Can I pay 'what I want' for all reasonable values of 'what'? Yes.
- crimsonalucard 10y agoI have encountered pay what you want deals that included zero dollars, just never at Humble Bundle.
- TheGrumpyBrit 10y agoWhen HB was new, they did exactly this. The minimum $1 has presumably come about because the people who buy at $0.01 are only there fore free stuff - they don't actually want the content, so why make a loss for them? Edit: In fact, they still do this, and you can get the Mobile or Games bundles for $0.01.
- palunon 10y agoThey used to have a 1$ minimum for Steam keys when all their games bundle where also DRM-free. Now that most of the games in the bundles require Steam, I guess 1$ is the de facto minimum.