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With authors like Milo Yiannopoulos posting articles like "Why There Ought to Be a Cap on Women Studying Science and Maths" I would say they dug their own grave

by zelon88 10y ago

With authors like Milo Yiannopoulos posting articles like "Why There Ought to Be a Cap on Women Studying Science and Maths" I would say they dug their own grave. If we really have to explain or justify why this is bad journalism maybe it shouldn't be considered journalism at all. I'm ok with that, but there should be open discussion and some methodology behind the future of journalistic classification.

rwmj 10y ago
It's really trolling, but it presents itself using the trappings of journalism which has a few benefits over old-fashioned trolling: First some people believe things which are presented in a certain way, through a "news site" etc. Secondly claiming to be a journalist provides some legal defences. There are examples of this in the UK too: Katie Hopkins is a master troll pretending to be a journalist (and with a column in a tabloid newspaper too).
ronnier 10y ago
This is the article mentioned above http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/15/heres-why-there-ought-to-be-a-cap-on-women-studying-science-and-maths/ http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/15/heres-why...
idetectit 10y ago
Hi, I find your comment problematic for two reasons. 1) If you replaced "women" with "men" in that title, I'm sure you'd have no problem with it. In fact, no doubt you'd probably gleefully Facebook it to all your tweet snapchatters on Instagram. and 2) Milo is a homosexual. You speak from a position of straight white male privilege and as such you are in no position to judge his journalistic skills or even question if it should be considered journalism at all. It sounds like what you really want is to only classify "journalism" as "stuff written by privileged straight white athiestic males and females with a liberal bent".
- zelon88 10y ago
  I don't believe there should be a cap on anyone's education; male, female, or otherwise. I also don't think that Milo is qualified to define what the word "journalism" means any more than I am. I can write opinions on a blog or onto a piece of paper. That doesn't make my work "journalism." Neither does declaring that I'm a journalist or declaring that my work is journalism. Also, sexual orientation doesn't give Milo a free pass to write click-bait and pass it off as journalism. It also doesn't excuse him from saying misogynistic things. I will respect Milo's right to say what he wants. That's it.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > If you replaced "women" with "men" in that title, I'm sure you'd have no problem with it A complete fabrication. Brietbart actually published that article; your claim is about an imaginary person in your head. > Milo is a homosexual That doesn't make him any less sexist (or even less homophobic if that's what he is - many leading homophobes have been homosexual themselves). Being homosexual isn't some sort of license of credibility. Who he sleeps with doesn't seem relevant. It's interesting to me that people on the hateful right sometimes believe their own propaganda about how normal people think: That somehow we all walk around thinking that someone's sexual preferences can put them on a moral pedestal. Everyone is just people; some people's rights are abused at a much higher rate than other people's, so we try to do something about that - because they are people.
ewzimm 10y ago
This kind of article is exactly why it's hard to take criticism of Breitbart seriously. People are so offended of having sacred sensibilities offended that they can't see it's satire, a form of reductio ad absurdum at the claim by a feminist academic that women need special treatment in universities and should possibly have segregated classes. The whole point of it is to use demographic quotas, which most conservatives hate, as an argument to prove the absurdity of a claim which he disagrees with. People who can't see it for what it is need to reevaluate their sense of humor, because we always need to consider the consequences of our most cherished ideas, and humor is often the best kind of criticism.
- ant6n 10y ago
  Ad absurdum? This article is so deeply steeped in hateful sexism I can't even read it to the end.

by zelon88 10y ago

rwmj 10y ago

It's really trolling, but it presents itself using the trappings of journalism which has a few benefits over old-fashioned trolling: First some people believe things which are presented in a certain way, through a "news site" etc. Secondly claiming to be a journalist provides some legal defences. There are examples of this in the UK too: Katie Hopkins is a master troll pretending to be a journalist (and with a column in a tabloid newspaper too).

ronnier 10y ago

This is the article mentioned above http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/15/heres-why-there-ought-to-be-a-cap-on-women-studying-science-and-maths/ http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/15/heres-why...

idetectit 10y ago

Hi, I find your comment problematic for two reasons. 1) If you replaced "women" with "men" in that title, I'm sure you'd have no problem with it. In fact, no doubt you'd probably gleefully Facebook it to all your tweet snapchatters on Instagram. and 2) Milo is a homosexual. You speak from a position of straight white male privilege and as such you are in no position to judge his journalistic skills or even question if it should be considered journalism at all. It sounds like what you really want is to only classify "journalism" as "stuff written by privileged straight white athiestic males and females with a liberal bent".

zelon88 10y ago
I don't believe there should be a cap on anyone's education; male, female, or otherwise. I also don't think that Milo is qualified to define what the word "journalism" means any more than I am. I can write opinions on a blog or onto a piece of paper. That doesn't make my work "journalism." Neither does declaring that I'm a journalist or declaring that my work is journalism. Also, sexual orientation doesn't give Milo a free pass to write click-bait and pass it off as journalism. It also doesn't excuse him from saying misogynistic things. I will respect Milo's right to say what he wants. That's it.
hackuser 10y ago
> If you replaced "women" with "men" in that title, I'm sure you'd have no problem with it A complete fabrication. Brietbart actually published that article; your claim is about an imaginary person in your head. > Milo is a homosexual That doesn't make him any less sexist (or even less homophobic if that's what he is - many leading homophobes have been homosexual themselves). Being homosexual isn't some sort of license of credibility. Who he sleeps with doesn't seem relevant. It's interesting to me that people on the hateful right sometimes believe their own propaganda about how normal people think: That somehow we all walk around thinking that someone's sexual preferences can put them on a moral pedestal. Everyone is just people; some people's rights are abused at a much higher rate than other people's, so we try to do something about that - because they are people.

ewzimm 10y ago

This kind of article is exactly why it's hard to take criticism of Breitbart seriously. People are so offended of having sacred sensibilities offended that they can't see it's satire, a form of reductio ad absurdum at the claim by a feminist academic that women need special treatment in universities and should possibly have segregated classes. The whole point of it is to use demographic quotas, which most conservatives hate, as an argument to prove the absurdity of a claim which he disagrees with. People who can't see it for what it is need to reevaluate their sense of humor, because we always need to consider the consequences of our most cherished ideas, and humor is often the best kind of criticism.

ant6n 10y ago
Ad absurdum? This article is so deeply steeped in hateful sexism I can't even read it to the end.