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White nationalism can still create and post content to the web. But there's no responsibility for other companies to financially support them. If a company lik

by Pfhreak 10y ago

White nationalism can still create and post content to the web. But there's no responsibility for other companies to financially support them. If a company like Breitbart cannot survive without Google's ad network, the onus is on them to figure out they can support themselves. Especially if supporting white nationalism undermines Google/Facebook's ability to hire and retain their own employees or impacts their reputation in a negative way.

tomp 10y ago
Isn't "fake news" and "white nationalism" mainly a smear used by the MSM (who are mostly on the loosing side of this election) against Breitbart?
- exolymph 10y ago
  There is literally abundant fake news, primarily distributed through Facebook. Actual lies. [0] Whether Breitbart is abjectly white nationalist is more debatable, likely by design. [0] In the practitioners' own words: 1) https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.jxxn5nb49#.vwdbDb2E0 https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became... 2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/17/facebook-fake-news-writer-i-think-donald-trump-is-in-the-white-house-because-of-me/?postshare=9591479391803912&tid=ss_tw https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11... 3) https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-new-yellow-journalists-opportunity-comes-in-clicks-and-bucks/2016/11/20/d58d036c-adbf-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-new-yellow-j... 4) http://www.inc.com/tess-townsend/ending-fed-trump-facebook.html http://www.inc.com/tess-townsend/ending-fed-trump-facebook.h...
  - tomp 10y ago
    I was asking about fake news specifically on Breitbart. I know they exist online, even on "reputable" news sites like CNN (so probably Breitbart as well), but to claim Breitbart is infested with fake news is patently absurd.
    - exolymph 10y ago
      As far as I know Breitbart has been misleading but not outright made-up. For example: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/breitbart-trump-rally-cavaliers-parade-misleading-photo http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/breitbart-trump-rally-... (I know TPM is a liberal site but that's not an opinion piece, just a recounting of what happened)
- DasIch 10y ago
  Breitbart itself describes itself very clearly as a champion for the neo-nazis that have re-branded themselves as "alt-right". Much of the news they provide is clearly misleading. I wouldn't necessarily go so far as saying Breitbart produces fake news, however there are sites that produce fake news. Completely made up stuff targeting conservatives to make money. This is a very real problem and it needs to be solved.
- sanderjd 10y ago
  No. Not two days ago, I listened to a self described white nationalist leader speak at length in his own words. He was not a made up smear, but a real person with real (awful) opinions, who now feels he has kindred spirits at the top of government. So, again, no, "white nationalism" is simply not "mainly a smear used by the MSM".
  - tomp 10y ago
    Who do you have in mind? Can you share a source (video/article of the speech)?
ng12 10y ago
Breitbart isn't a white nationalist news source. Bannon might be an asshole but I urge you to judge it by the content on the site. I don't agree with most of it but I support their right to post truthful content and editorials as they wish.
- wlll 10y ago
  I have seen content from Breitbart, it's objectionable and dangerous propaganda IMO. I support their right to publish it, I don't support the idea of forcing people to do business with them.
  - judah 10y ago
    The same could certainly be said of left-wing news sources such as the New York Times.
    - wlll 10y ago
      I really don't see the similarity (though I'm not familiar with the NYT, I assume it's a bit like The Guardian in the UK for this discussion). Can you give examples of fake news, or what I'd consider to be biased propaganda? (this last category I'd suggest something like climate change denial) in the NYT?
      - striking 10y ago
        What about that time they lied about Iraq? http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/01/how-the-iraq-war-still-haunts-new-york-times/199946 http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/01/how-the-iraq-war-sti... Even just now the NYT decided they would "rededicate [themselves] to the fundamental mission of Times journalism" because of how greatly they messed up the election coverage. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/elections/to-our-readers-from-the-publisher-and-executive-editor.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/elections/to-our-reader... It doesn't matter what source you read from. The vast majority of news is bullshit, especially in today's day and age. It's not enough to say "oh, Fox News/MSNBC, it's obviously trash". Individually inspect articles for their truth. Look for the other side of every argument. Because brand loyalty is bullshit.

by Pfhreak 10y ago

tomp 10y ago

Isn't "fake news" and "white nationalism" mainly a smear used by the MSM (who are mostly on the loosing side of this election) against Breitbart?

exolymph 10y ago
There is literally abundant fake news, primarily distributed through Facebook. Actual lies. [0] Whether Breitbart is abjectly white nationalist is more debatable, likely by design. [0] In the practitioners' own words: 1) https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.jxxn5nb49#.vwdbDb2E0 https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became... 2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/17/facebook-fake-news-writer-i-think-donald-trump-is-in-the-white-house-because-of-me/?postshare=9591479391803912&tid=ss_tw https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11... 3) https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-new-yellow-journalists-opportunity-comes-in-clicks-and-bucks/2016/11/20/d58d036c-adbf-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-new-yellow-j... 4) http://www.inc.com/tess-townsend/ending-fed-trump-facebook.html http://www.inc.com/tess-townsend/ending-fed-trump-facebook.h...
- tomp 10y ago
  I was asking about fake news specifically on Breitbart. I know they exist online, even on "reputable" news sites like CNN (so probably Breitbart as well), but to claim Breitbart is infested with fake news is patently absurd.
  - exolymph 10y ago
    As far as I know Breitbart has been misleading but not outright made-up. For example: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/breitbart-trump-rally-cavaliers-parade-misleading-photo http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/breitbart-trump-rally-... (I know TPM is a liberal site but that's not an opinion piece, just a recounting of what happened)
DasIch 10y ago
Breitbart itself describes itself very clearly as a champion for the neo-nazis that have re-branded themselves as "alt-right". Much of the news they provide is clearly misleading. I wouldn't necessarily go so far as saying Breitbart produces fake news, however there are sites that produce fake news. Completely made up stuff targeting conservatives to make money. This is a very real problem and it needs to be solved.
sanderjd 10y ago
No. Not two days ago, I listened to a self described white nationalist leader speak at length in his own words. He was not a made up smear, but a real person with real (awful) opinions, who now feels he has kindred spirits at the top of government. So, again, no, "white nationalism" is simply not "mainly a smear used by the MSM".
- tomp 10y ago
  Who do you have in mind? Can you share a source (video/article of the speech)?

ng12 10y ago

Breitbart isn't a white nationalist news source. Bannon might be an asshole but I urge you to judge it by the content on the site. I don't agree with most of it but I support their right to post truthful content and editorials as they wish.

wlll 10y ago
I have seen content from Breitbart, it's objectionable and dangerous propaganda IMO. I support their right to publish it, I don't support the idea of forcing people to do business with them.
- judah 10y ago
  The same could certainly be said of left-wing news sources such as the New York Times.
  - wlll 10y ago
    I really don't see the similarity (though I'm not familiar with the NYT, I assume it's a bit like The Guardian in the UK for this discussion). Can you give examples of fake news, or what I'd consider to be biased propaganda? (this last category I'd suggest something like climate change denial) in the NYT?
    - striking 10y ago
      What about that time they lied about Iraq? http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/01/how-the-iraq-war-still-haunts-new-york-times/199946 http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/01/how-the-iraq-war-sti... Even just now the NYT decided they would "rededicate [themselves] to the fundamental mission of Times journalism" because of how greatly they messed up the election coverage. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/elections/to-our-readers-from-the-publisher-and-executive-editor.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/elections/to-our-reader... It doesn't matter what source you read from. The vast majority of news is bullshit, especially in today's day and age. It's not enough to say "oh, Fox News/MSNBC, it's obviously trash". Individually inspect articles for their truth. Look for the other side of every argument. Because brand loyalty is bullshit.