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> But he argues that since hacking is possible, it’s simply prudent to conduct a recount in close states where there’s a paper trail, which is reasonable enough

by elihu 10y ago

> But he argues that since hacking is possible, it’s simply prudent to conduct a recount in close states where there’s a paper trail, which is reasonable enough. I think this is key. We should be skeptical of stolen election claims, but we should also be skeptical of claims that the election wasn't stolen. If recounting is straightforward to do and it addresses the very real concern that the count was tampered with, why not do it? Even if there was no tampering, it's very harmful to democracy to allow reasonable doubt to persist as to whether the vote counts were legitimate.

ganoushoreilly 10y ago
The issue here is there isn't evidence to support the investigation into the allegations. Everyone can make the hacker bogey man a defense, but the truth is while hacking does happen, the way in which the voting systems are designed it's less likely to have been hacked through exploiting voting terminals. It's more likely that the registration of voters would be manipulated. I would argue that's why the Clinton campaign hasn't been aggressive with it, they haven't met the threshold of reasonable doubt. Off topic, I wish people and their passions had been put to work during the elections on both sides. It's all been yelling at each other over superiority and whatever else is the hot ticket button of the day. If people would take the energy and focus on a micro level, working within their communities to make change, we'd be a better country for it. - not directed at previous poster, just tagging on commentary.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  > Off topic, I wish people and their passions had been put to work during the elections on both sides. It's all been yelling at each other over superiority and whatever else is the hot ticket button of the day. If people would take the energy and focus on a micro level, working within their communities to make change, we'd be a better country for it. >- not directed at previous poster, just tagging on commentary. The problem is everyone "knew" HRC was going to win...
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tomjen3 10y ago
I would agree with you 30 years ago, but today I doubt it would matter. People believe what they want to believe and now they can just consume the news they want.
- elihu 10y ago
  If people want to believe conspiracy theories and fake news, that's up to them. If we can't convince a reasonable impartial observer that our election results are almost certainly valid, then we've got a serious problem.

by elihu 10y ago

ganoushoreilly 10y ago

The issue here is there isn't evidence to support the investigation into the allegations. Everyone can make the hacker bogey man a defense, but the truth is while hacking does happen, the way in which the voting systems are designed it's less likely to have been hacked through exploiting voting terminals. It's more likely that the registration of voters would be manipulated. I would argue that's why the Clinton campaign hasn't been aggressive with it, they haven't met the threshold of reasonable doubt. Off topic, I wish people and their passions had been put to work during the elections on both sides. It's all been yelling at each other over superiority and whatever else is the hot ticket button of the day. If people would take the energy and focus on a micro level, working within their communities to make change, we'd be a better country for it. - not directed at previous poster, just tagging on commentary.

JustSomeNobody 10y ago
> Off topic, I wish people and their passions had been put to work during the elections on both sides. It's all been yelling at each other over superiority and whatever else is the hot ticket button of the day. If people would take the energy and focus on a micro level, working within their communities to make change, we'd be a better country for it. >- not directed at previous poster, just tagging on commentary. The problem is everyone "knew" HRC was going to win...

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tomjen3 10y ago

I would agree with you 30 years ago, but today I doubt it would matter. People believe what they want to believe and now they can just consume the news they want.

elihu 10y ago
If people want to believe conspiracy theories and fake news, that's up to them. If we can't convince a reasonable impartial observer that our election results are almost certainly valid, then we've got a serious problem.