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Surely self-incrimination laws make this a non-starter?

by jk563 10y ago

wlll 10y ago
Unfortunately in the UK you can be prosecuted for not handing over an encryption key the authorities think you have: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/ripa_self_incrimination_ruling/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/ripa_self_incriminat... It is up to you to prove you don't have it anymore too.
- Senji 10y ago
  Are perfect forward security protocols then illegal? What if it's physically impossible for you to give them a key that doesn't exist anymore?
  - stevetrewick 10y ago
    Guess we're about to find out. The current government (albeit with a different (arguably more liberal) PM) has already revealed it has a desire to criminalise any crypto it can't decrypt. Because paedos and terrorists. That kind of legislation seems a natural outgrowth of this, once they find a 'think of the children' case to use as leverage. That's why we worry about the 'thin end of the wedge'.
  - pmyteh 10y ago
    If you can prove (on the balance of probabilities) that you don't have the key - because it doesn't exist or otherwise - then you are not guilty of the offence. Of course, that's not entirely straightforward.
  - EdHominem 10y ago
    If this was currently being developed in the UK, my money would be on illegal. Thankfully it's a well-known concept now, and a foreign-invented technology you need to interoperate with the rest of the world. Nothing stops them from throwing the law at you though, even if they know if won't work. You literally can't be punished as a prosecutor for anything less than deliberately throwing the trial for money. If they feel they won't win they'll intentionally ruin your life anyways.
gambiting 10y ago
In UK you can already go to prison for 2 years if you refuse to hand over your encryption keys.
- jk563 10y ago
  In case anyone wanted to read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_King...

Surely self-incrimination laws make this a non-starter?

by jk563 10y ago

Surely self-incrimination laws make this a non-starter?

wlll 10y ago

Unfortunately in the UK you can be prosecuted for not handing over an encryption key the authorities think you have: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/ripa_self_incrimination_ruling/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/ripa_self_incriminat... It is up to you to prove you don't have it anymore too.

Senji 10y ago
Are perfect forward security protocols then illegal? What if it's physically impossible for you to give them a key that doesn't exist anymore?
- stevetrewick 10y ago
  Guess we're about to find out. The current government (albeit with a different (arguably more liberal) PM) has already revealed it has a desire to criminalise any crypto it can't decrypt. Because paedos and terrorists. That kind of legislation seems a natural outgrowth of this, once they find a 'think of the children' case to use as leverage. That's why we worry about the 'thin end of the wedge'.
- pmyteh 10y ago
  If you can prove (on the balance of probabilities) that you don't have the key - because it doesn't exist or otherwise - then you are not guilty of the offence. Of course, that's not entirely straightforward.
- EdHominem 10y ago
  If this was currently being developed in the UK, my money would be on illegal. Thankfully it's a well-known concept now, and a foreign-invented technology you need to interoperate with the rest of the world. Nothing stops them from throwing the law at you though, even if they know if won't work. You literally can't be punished as a prosecutor for anything less than deliberately throwing the trial for money. If they feel they won't win they'll intentionally ruin your life anyways.

gambiting 10y ago

In UK you can already go to prison for 2 years if you refuse to hand over your encryption keys.

jk563 10y ago
In case anyone wanted to read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_King...