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The most scary thing for me is that both political left and political right is nowadays for increasing surveillance - and there is no one in opposition. Except

The most scary thing for me is that both political left and political right is nowadays for increasing surveillance - and there is no one in opposition. Except probably for Pirate parties, which are mostly irrelevant.

throwaway7767 10y ago
> The most scary thing for me is that both political left and political right is nowadays for increasing surveillance Right, because like many important but sparsely discussed issues this one doesn't fit into the left-right distinction. Unfortunately there are still many voters who like to compress the issues down to a single scalar value so they can place themselves on some easy-to-understand axis. Break away from it. State involvement in economic policy is only one of many issues to consider when voting for a government.
Symbiote 10y ago
The Liberal Democrats are against surveillance, and are the third biggest party in the UK.
- MarchHare 10y ago
  The SNP are the third biggest UK party.
  - dagw 10y ago
    Or UKIP, if you consider the popular vote (to echo the current US situation) edit: The Lib Dems are probably the 3rd largest party if you include local council seats
    - MarchHare 10y ago
      Yeah, one and two are obviously tory/labour, after that it gets confusing.
- zigzigzag 10y ago
  I used to think that. They say they are against it. When given an opportunity to actually fight it in the past they rolled over and did very little (essentially asking for minor tweaks).
- elcct 10y ago
  Liberal Democrats are bench warmers and when they are moved into play they can't execute anything - for example their drugs minister Norman Baker did nothing along the lines what Liberal Democrats preach. They are a political laughing stock and nobody takes them seriously.
- SixSigma 10y ago
  They didn't exactly cover themselves in glory during the coalition. As a side comment, did you know Hillary Clinton we getting leaks from behind the scenes at the coalition negotiations (see the PDFs) https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/2850 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/2850 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/2817 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/2817 and some other interesting stuff https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6988 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6988 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/7377 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/7377

throwaway7767 10y ago

> The most scary thing for me is that both political left and political right is nowadays for increasing surveillance Right, because like many important but sparsely discussed issues this one doesn't fit into the left-right distinction. Unfortunately there are still many voters who like to compress the issues down to a single scalar value so they can place themselves on some easy-to-understand axis. Break away from it. State involvement in economic policy is only one of many issues to consider when voting for a government.

Symbiote 10y ago

The Liberal Democrats are against surveillance, and are the third biggest party in the UK.

MarchHare 10y ago
The SNP are the third biggest UK party.
- dagw 10y ago
  Or UKIP, if you consider the popular vote (to echo the current US situation) edit: The Lib Dems are probably the 3rd largest party if you include local council seats
  - MarchHare 10y ago
    Yeah, one and two are obviously tory/labour, after that it gets confusing.
zigzigzag 10y ago
I used to think that. They say they are against it. When given an opportunity to actually fight it in the past they rolled over and did very little (essentially asking for minor tweaks).
elcct 10y ago
Liberal Democrats are bench warmers and when they are moved into play they can't execute anything - for example their drugs minister Norman Baker did nothing along the lines what Liberal Democrats preach. They are a political laughing stock and nobody takes them seriously.
SixSigma 10y ago
They didn't exactly cover themselves in glory during the coalition. As a side comment, did you know Hillary Clinton we getting leaks from behind the scenes at the coalition negotiations (see the PDFs) https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/2850 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/2850 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/2817 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/2817 and some other interesting stuff https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6988 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6988 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/7377 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/7377