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I think by removing the word "monkey" you have opened yourself up to a charge of inaccuracy. After all, I'm going to hazard a guess that this is not true of all

by scandox 10y ago

I think by removing the word "monkey" you have opened yourself up to a charge of inaccuracy. After all, I'm going to hazard a guess that this is not true of all males of all species. Now some cynical people might think that you removed the word monkey in order to map this research onto humans, in order to make a point. While I'm sure that's not the case, I think it's worthwhile to recall many other evolved qualities human beings have, such as: cannibalism child molestation incest murder organised genocide disorganised genocide So I think we can all agree that our ability, however occasional, to transcend our evolved behaviours is a positive and that people who advocate for further improvements are to be respected.

saiya-jin 10y ago
you don't get this joke, do you (yes, it's mostly for guys but not only, and no it's not completely hypothetical)
- scandox 10y ago
  I'd be very interested in your explanation of the joke. Please elaborate in as much detail as you can.
  - raducu 10y ago
    The joke is we're primates too, and human females do this all of the time, you can see this in the motif of two heros(one "good" and the other "bad") fighting for a female, "golddigger" being most of the time attributed to the female, to the psychological game called "Rapo" where a female entices a particular male's attention so that another male would fight the first male, and so an and so on. The joke is believing all of the "Women are wonderful" effect, that there's a "rape culture", vilifying men and pedestalizing women, and all of the PC crap that dictates males and females think/feel and behave the same way and disregarding all of the obvious evolutionary and logical conclusions that males are predisposed to violence and females to manipulation in order to get what they want.
    - ethanbond 10y ago
      You don't have to believe all women are "wonderful" in order to find distasteful the notion that women evolved to manipulate men. Why not "men evolved to be dumb as rocks on the topic of what they put their penises into?" Equally applicable and evidence backed, no? Equally irrelevant to the topic at hand? But instead men are simultaneously superior and somehow at the mercy of these "manipulative women."
      - namaemuta 10y ago
        I would say that "dumb" has nothing to do about the topic in question since reproduction is probably one of the first goals of a male (non-human) and they will do whatever is needed to reach that goal. It isn't practically a choice for them.
    - stevetrewick 10y ago
      Yeah, we got that part from the original. To qualify as a joke I would have thought there needs to be a punchline that allows it to transcend lazy stereotyping. "Ha he means gold diggers" isn't adding that.
    - scandox 10y ago
      You know I could be tricksy but I'll answer you straight. Even if I thoroughly believed the rather reductive propositions you make about male/female biology, I would still disagree with your conclusions. You seem to want it both ways: you assert men are naturally violent, women are naturally manipulative, therefore we should accept this state of affairs and not be dishonest about it. At the same time you want us to reject the idea of rape culture, even though inherent in your assessment of men is an acceptance of exactly that. Has it ever occurred to you that Political Correctness acts as training wheels for people who are exhibiting bad natural behaviours? And that this might be a good thing? We teach our children to have good manners, to share and to curb their violence. Of course, no adult wants to be treated as a child, but if there is a social consensus that somebody is infantile, then it seems appropriate to have a mechanism to put manners on them. That consensus is far from punitive. For the most part it doesn't restrict individual liberty. Many contrarians and "rugged individualists" I know seem to fear that we will fall into a kind of group-think if we allow PC ideas to develop. This it seems to me is just the despair of autocrats. It's our social consensus. We get to form it together. But just saying "PC Crap" doesn't work. We live in a big complex society. It's going to just get more complex. Many smart people are bored and repelled by these arbitrary social rules - I get that. But your natural repulsion is overcoming your judgement. These are systems. They can work well or badly. Contribute to them to support your values.
  - midgetjones 10y ago
    Good trap. He totally fell for it!
- dang 10y ago
  Please don't post like this here. There's no information or substance about it—just flame fodder. We don't want that on HN.

by scandox 10y ago

saiya-jin 10y ago

you don't get this joke, do you (yes, it's mostly for guys but not only, and no it's not completely hypothetical)

scandox 10y ago
I'd be very interested in your explanation of the joke. Please elaborate in as much detail as you can.
- raducu 10y ago
  The joke is we're primates too, and human females do this all of the time, you can see this in the motif of two heros(one "good" and the other "bad") fighting for a female, "golddigger" being most of the time attributed to the female, to the psychological game called "Rapo" where a female entices a particular male's attention so that another male would fight the first male, and so an and so on. The joke is believing all of the "Women are wonderful" effect, that there's a "rape culture", vilifying men and pedestalizing women, and all of the PC crap that dictates males and females think/feel and behave the same way and disregarding all of the obvious evolutionary and logical conclusions that males are predisposed to violence and females to manipulation in order to get what they want.
  - ethanbond 10y ago
    You don't have to believe all women are "wonderful" in order to find distasteful the notion that women evolved to manipulate men. Why not "men evolved to be dumb as rocks on the topic of what they put their penises into?" Equally applicable and evidence backed, no? Equally irrelevant to the topic at hand? But instead men are simultaneously superior and somehow at the mercy of these "manipulative women."
    - namaemuta 10y ago
      I would say that "dumb" has nothing to do about the topic in question since reproduction is probably one of the first goals of a male (non-human) and they will do whatever is needed to reach that goal. It isn't practically a choice for them.
  - stevetrewick 10y ago
    Yeah, we got that part from the original. To qualify as a joke I would have thought there needs to be a punchline that allows it to transcend lazy stereotyping. "Ha he means gold diggers" isn't adding that.
  - scandox 10y ago
    You know I could be tricksy but I'll answer you straight. Even if I thoroughly believed the rather reductive propositions you make about male/female biology, I would still disagree with your conclusions. You seem to want it both ways: you assert men are naturally violent, women are naturally manipulative, therefore we should accept this state of affairs and not be dishonest about it. At the same time you want us to reject the idea of rape culture, even though inherent in your assessment of men is an acceptance of exactly that. Has it ever occurred to you that Political Correctness acts as training wheels for people who are exhibiting bad natural behaviours? And that this might be a good thing? We teach our children to have good manners, to share and to curb their violence. Of course, no adult wants to be treated as a child, but if there is a social consensus that somebody is infantile, then it seems appropriate to have a mechanism to put manners on them. That consensus is far from punitive. For the most part it doesn't restrict individual liberty. Many contrarians and "rugged individualists" I know seem to fear that we will fall into a kind of group-think if we allow PC ideas to develop. This it seems to me is just the despair of autocrats. It's our social consensus. We get to form it together. But just saying "PC Crap" doesn't work. We live in a big complex society. It's going to just get more complex. Many smart people are bored and repelled by these arbitrary social rules - I get that. But your natural repulsion is overcoming your judgement. These are systems. They can work well or badly. Contribute to them to support your values.
- midgetjones 10y ago
  Good trap. He totally fell for it!
dang 10y ago
Please don't post like this here. There's no information or substance about it—just flame fodder. We don't want that on HN.