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You came back and edited this after I responded to it, and I haven't gone through your edits yet, I will try to remember to later. I really wanted to ask you w

You came back and edited this after I responded to it, and I haven't gone through your edits yet, I will try to remember to later. I really wanted to ask you where did your whole debate about the civil war origins come from? You starting focusing on that here and then focused solely on that in your remaining posts even despite me saying it would derail the conversation? Edit: you write 'it was a myth they would surrender.' You can't just substitute reality with your opinion. I gave you quotes from US presidents and top military generals. Everyone knew they were trying to get out of the war. What is true is that Hirohito did everything he could to remain as emperor, which we allowed anyways... I'm just repeating myself now. There's no point in discussing it further, and no one else is reading this anyways, but seriously answer the question about the civil war.

rat87 10y ago
Note this civil war reply is on a separate sub-thread try going back to the main post and searching for my username, I think you may have confused my Germany/Japan reply with it. --- surrender note while it was not totally an unconditional surrender it was best an unconditional surrender with an apostraphe (*), The Japanese asked for the emperor's position to be retained, the allies didn't give them a straight yes/no answer. The ultimate decision on the part of the emperor was made later during the occupation. Also the emperor was stripped of non-ceremonial power after the war, which Japan had objected to. Note that even at the end after the bombings (and the Soviet invasion of the part of China held by the Japanese) some on the ruling council were arguing for other conditions other then the emperors position such as no occupation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan > Once the Emperor had left, Suzuki pushed the cabinet to accept the Emperor's will, which it did. Early that morning (August 10), the Foreign Ministry sent telegrams to the Allies (by way of the Swiss Federal Political Department and Max Grässli in particular) announcing that Japan would accept the Potsdam Declaration, but would not accept any peace conditions that would "prejudice the prerogatives" of the Emperor. That effectively meant no change in Japan's form of government—that the Emperor of Japan would remain a position of real power.[96] > The Allied response ... On the status of the Emperor it said: > From the moment of surrender the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied powers who will take such steps as he deems proper to effectuate the surrender terms. ...The ultimate form of government of Japan shall, in accordance with the Potsdam Declaration, be established by the freely expressed will of the Japanese people.

rat87 10y ago

Note this civil war reply is on a separate sub-thread try going back to the main post and searching for my username, I think you may have confused my Germany/Japan reply with it. --- surrender note while it was not totally an unconditional surrender it was best an unconditional surrender with an apostraphe (*), The Japanese asked for the emperor's position to be retained, the allies didn't give them a straight yes/no answer. The ultimate decision on the part of the emperor was made later during the occupation. Also the emperor was stripped of non-ceremonial power after the war, which Japan had objected to. Note that even at the end after the bombings (and the Soviet invasion of the part of China held by the Japanese) some on the ruling council were arguing for other conditions other then the emperors position such as no occupation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan > Once the Emperor had left, Suzuki pushed the cabinet to accept the Emperor's will, which it did. Early that morning (August 10), the Foreign Ministry sent telegrams to the Allies (by way of the Swiss Federal Political Department and Max Grässli in particular) announcing that Japan would accept the Potsdam Declaration, but would not accept any peace conditions that would "prejudice the prerogatives" of the Emperor. That effectively meant no change in Japan's form of government—that the Emperor of Japan would remain a position of real power.[96] > The Allied response ... On the status of the Emperor it said: > From the moment of surrender the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied powers who will take such steps as he deems proper to effectuate the surrender terms. ...The ultimate form of government of Japan shall, in accordance with the Potsdam Declaration, be established by the freely expressed will of the Japanese people.