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Can we be sure that we aren't already shadowbanned even in the western world? An AI driven news feed and timeline is practically an intelligent shadowban. "You

Can we be sure that we aren't already shadowbanned even in the western world? An AI driven news feed and timeline is practically an intelligent shadowban. "Your post about your cat is not as revenue-relevant as a fake story about Clinton/Trump. Bam, you are banned!"

veidr 10y ago
Regardless of how much traction our posts get, or don't, the thing we can be still be reasonably sure about in the US and most of the western world is that we won't be kidnapped, caged, tortured, or killed for whatever sociopolitical commentary we post on Facebook. Facebook's collaboration with a regime where none of that is true is a disgusting low point, even for that company.
- NumberCruncher 10y ago
  >> we can be still be reasonably sure ... I would point to the word "still". If something can be used against you, it will sooner or later be used against you. I hope we won't live long enough to see this coming true.
- paradite 10y ago
  That is some very extreme words you are using. I would caution you not to use those words lightly unless you are absolutely sure they are backed up with facts.
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  - veidr 10y ago
    It's a simple and widely-known fact that China jails its dissidents. This has been reported in literally every major newspaper in the world. The Chinese regime doesn't dispute it.
    - paradite 10y ago
      > kidnapped, caged, tortured, or killed That is quite a different set of vocabulary compared to "jail"
      - veidr 10y ago
        Ok, sorry: It's a simple and widely-known fact that China kidnaps and cages its dissidents. Better?
        paradite 10y ago
        > kidnapped, caged, tortured, or killed > kidnaps and cages Nope. Assuming what you asserted later are indeed facts, they only covers 50% of what you claimed in the original sentence. Still half of what you claimed is not grounded on facts.
      - NumberCruncher 10y ago
        Guantanamo fulfills the first 3 points and was considered as a "jail" in the western world.
ifdefdebug 10y ago
At least I can be sure that I am not already shadowbanned because fuck you facebook. I am not interested in an AI feeding my ego with confirmation and protecting it from confrontation.
lmm 10y ago
Facebook gives you the option of turning off the AI filtering and just getting a strictly time-ordered feed. (I tried it for a while but it was just less useful than the default feed).
- dennisgorelik 10y ago
  Where is that "strictly time-ordered feed" option? I could not find anything like that in the Facebook settings.
  - lmm 10y ago
    Hmm. The settings have changed since I tried it. Maybe they've moved it, maybe they've removed it.
tomjen3 10y ago
Yes. I know many of my facebook friends in real life and see them on a daily basis. While it is possible to filter some of the things they say, in no way could they censor all of them, or completely make them up.

veidr 10y ago

Regardless of how much traction our posts get, or don't, the thing we can be still be reasonably sure about in the US and most of the western world is that we won't be kidnapped, caged, tortured, or killed for whatever sociopolitical commentary we post on Facebook. Facebook's collaboration with a regime where none of that is true is a disgusting low point, even for that company.

NumberCruncher 10y ago
>> we can be still be reasonably sure ... I would point to the word "still". If something can be used against you, it will sooner or later be used against you. I hope we won't live long enough to see this coming true.
paradite 10y ago
That is some very extreme words you are using. I would caution you not to use those words lightly unless you are absolutely sure they are backed up with facts.
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- veidr 10y ago
  It's a simple and widely-known fact that China jails its dissidents. This has been reported in literally every major newspaper in the world. The Chinese regime doesn't dispute it.
  - paradite 10y ago
    > kidnapped, caged, tortured, or killed That is quite a different set of vocabulary compared to "jail"
    - veidr 10y ago
      Ok, sorry: It's a simple and widely-known fact that China kidnaps and cages its dissidents. Better?
      - paradite 10y ago
        > kidnapped, caged, tortured, or killed > kidnaps and cages Nope. Assuming what you asserted later are indeed facts, they only covers 50% of what you claimed in the original sentence. Still half of what you claimed is not grounded on facts.
    - NumberCruncher 10y ago
      Guantanamo fulfills the first 3 points and was considered as a "jail" in the western world.

ifdefdebug 10y ago

At least I can be sure that I am not already shadowbanned because fuck you facebook. I am not interested in an AI feeding my ego with confirmation and protecting it from confrontation.

lmm 10y ago

Facebook gives you the option of turning off the AI filtering and just getting a strictly time-ordered feed. (I tried it for a while but it was just less useful than the default feed).

dennisgorelik 10y ago
Where is that "strictly time-ordered feed" option? I could not find anything like that in the Facebook settings.
- lmm 10y ago
  Hmm. The settings have changed since I tried it. Maybe they've moved it, maybe they've removed it.

tomjen3 10y ago

Yes. I know many of my facebook friends in real life and see them on a daily basis. While it is possible to filter some of the things they say, in no way could they censor all of them, or completely make them up.