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I don't want fossil fuel subsidies either! We should focus on killing externalities like you said, especially environmental ones, and stop the abuse of our tax

by norikki 10y ago

I don't want fossil fuel subsidies either! We should focus on killing externalities like you said, especially environmental ones, and stop the abuse of our tax money. If Tesla is to succeed, it must succeed without federal subsidies. The subsidies at best hasten the advent of EV by a few years, and that is not worth the Billions of graft and waste that occurs with these federal grants, loan guarantees and rebates. Especially if it turns out the EV wont happen for another few decades. In that case, all these subsidies are a waste because the underlying battery technology is insufficient. I don't know if Tesla will succeed or fail. If you think it will succeed, then buy their stock. But i don't want to be forced into investing through my tax dollars. That is not the role of government.

FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
>But i don't want to be forced into investing through my tax dollars. That is not the role of government. The world is more complicated then that. If those subsidies suddenly disappear, guess what. The US is a unique nation and first with no equals in projecting both its soft and hard power. Like it or not, we are the police securing the global commons which is essential to functional, consistent global trade. If you really don't want to invest your tax dollars and are approaching this from a selfish standpoint., incorporate yourself. Contributing productive activity to society generally exempts you from all number of taxes. If you want to pay no taxes, become extremely wealthy. That's the lesson this country teaches you :) > We should focus on killing externalities like you said, That's nearly impossible. We generally do a piss poor job of capturing the true price of things. Externalities are often times diffuse and not acute. Most externalities exist because of our lack of knwledge about how costs and benefits are shared between individuals, firms, and societies. >stop the abuse of our tax money. I've just come to accept that governments are not hyper-efficient economically and never will be. Our government is a nasty, messy thing at times. Honestly, if everyone's taxes were suddenly lowered in this economic environment, it would cause inflation so there'd be little actual benefit

by norikki 10y ago

FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago

>But i don't want to be forced into investing through my tax dollars. That is not the role of government. The world is more complicated then that. If those subsidies suddenly disappear, guess what. The US is a unique nation and first with no equals in projecting both its soft and hard power. Like it or not, we are the police securing the global commons which is essential to functional, consistent global trade. If you really don't want to invest your tax dollars and are approaching this from a selfish standpoint., incorporate yourself. Contributing productive activity to society generally exempts you from all number of taxes. If you want to pay no taxes, become extremely wealthy. That's the lesson this country teaches you :) > We should focus on killing externalities like you said, That's nearly impossible. We generally do a piss poor job of capturing the true price of things. Externalities are often times diffuse and not acute. Most externalities exist because of our lack of knwledge about how costs and benefits are shared between individuals, firms, and societies. >stop the abuse of our tax money. I've just come to accept that governments are not hyper-efficient economically and never will be. Our government is a nasty, messy thing at times. Honestly, if everyone's taxes were suddenly lowered in this economic environment, it would cause inflation so there'd be little actual benefit