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Also interesting: http://wiki.c2.com/?IfYourCarWereVim http://wiki.c2.com/?IfYourCarWereVim

by galfarragem 10y ago

vacri 10y ago
> The first time you actually sit in the car, you have to ask a friend how to get out again... I remember that day!
- deathanatos 10y ago
  As a vim user, I've never understood this. Does no novice pondering how to exit vim ever try ^C (which seems perfectly natural), which outputs: Type :quit<Enter> to exit Vim … and now you know. I'll admit that not much else is discoverable, until you start learning to peruse :help and Google. You're not the only one[1] to express this though. How you're supposed to discover ^X^C in emacs, though, I truly have no idea. See also ed, and if you've not see it, Ed man! !man ed[2]. [1]: https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/435555976687923200?lang=en https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/435555976687923200?la... [2]: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html
  - chriswarbo 10y ago
    Years ago, I'd only use terminal-based editors when I had to fix XF86Config or xorg.conf. Nano shows you a bunch of keybindings at the bottom of the screen. I once used vi and exited by toggling the power switch.
  - vacri 10y ago
    Coming from Windows, ctrl+c to exit a program wasn't all that common (cli wasn't all that common for the most part). alt-f4 was the way to go if using the keyboard, so ctrl+c wasn't baked into muscle memory. Also, if people first tried vi rather than vim... does vi have that help text? Another confusing one when starting out was entering the 'help' area by accident. "How do I get back out? Argh! So arcane!". I'm quite happy with vim now, but there was definitely a learning curve.
  - eric_the_read 10y ago
    Sure, now, but back in the dark ages of 1992, basically nobody at my university had heard of vim, so we just got vi, which didn't have such a helpful prompt. After entering vi, I spent about 15 minutes alternately trying to do anything useful and cursing at it until a helpful grad student next to me pointed me at emacs. When I fired up emacs, by contrast, it had a helpful message telling me to type C-h t, which ran me through a nice little tutorial on how to use it, including C-x C-c to exit.
shirro 10y ago
It would be so cool to interact with a car with a grammar instead of pointing and grunting. Drive two blocks to the roundabout, take the third exit, drive 2 km. It is a strange inversion that so many people sit in cars being given vi-like movement instructions by a computer.

Also interesting: http://wiki.c2.com/?IfYourCarWereVim http://wiki.c2.com/?IfYourCarWereVim

vacri 10y ago

> The first time you actually sit in the car, you have to ask a friend how to get out again... I remember that day!

deathanatos 10y ago
As a vim user, I've never understood this. Does no novice pondering how to exit vim ever try ^C (which seems perfectly natural), which outputs: Type :quit<Enter> to exit Vim … and now you know. I'll admit that not much else is discoverable, until you start learning to peruse :help and Google. You're not the only one[1] to express this though. How you're supposed to discover ^X^C in emacs, though, I truly have no idea. See also ed, and if you've not see it, Ed man! !man ed[2]. [1]: https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/435555976687923200?lang=en https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/435555976687923200?la... [2]: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html
- chriswarbo 10y ago
  Years ago, I'd only use terminal-based editors when I had to fix XF86Config or xorg.conf. Nano shows you a bunch of keybindings at the bottom of the screen. I once used vi and exited by toggling the power switch.
- vacri 10y ago
  Coming from Windows, ctrl+c to exit a program wasn't all that common (cli wasn't all that common for the most part). alt-f4 was the way to go if using the keyboard, so ctrl+c wasn't baked into muscle memory. Also, if people first tried vi rather than vim... does vi have that help text? Another confusing one when starting out was entering the 'help' area by accident. "How do I get back out? Argh! So arcane!". I'm quite happy with vim now, but there was definitely a learning curve.
- eric_the_read 10y ago
  Sure, now, but back in the dark ages of 1992, basically nobody at my university had heard of vim, so we just got vi, which didn't have such a helpful prompt. After entering vi, I spent about 15 minutes alternately trying to do anything useful and cursing at it until a helpful grad student next to me pointed me at emacs. When I fired up emacs, by contrast, it had a helpful message telling me to type C-h t, which ran me through a nice little tutorial on how to use it, including C-x C-c to exit.

shirro 10y ago

It would be so cool to interact with a car with a grammar instead of pointing and grunting. Drive two blocks to the roundabout, take the third exit, drive 2 km. It is a strange inversion that so many people sit in cars being given vi-like movement instructions by a computer.