> if you start forcing them to do work that "hurts them", their best parts disappear, No offense, but this is starting to sound a bit Nietzschean. The uberme

> if you start forcing them to do work that "hurts them", their best parts disappear, No offense, but this is starting to sound a bit Nietzschean. The ubermensch is how he is. He need not change, bears no responsibility for improving himself or finding another job more suited to strengths and weaknesses, others must accommodate. Bollocks. Skill must be matched with discipline, or else it's worthless. I'm sure your TdF idols would agree. If they couldn't apply discipline to do the job in front of them and to keep getting better at it, they wouldn't be in the Tour de France. > Just out of curiosity, are you a German? I see similar thinking around here a lot. No, but thanks for the stereotype. I know some Germans, I've been to Germany pretty recently, I think I'd fit in pretty well there, but I'm not German. (Actually there might be a percent or two of German blood in there, but there's far more Irish.) It's also pretty ironic that you'd say I seem that way, since you're the one echoing a German philosopher.