Agreed but in my opinion the cruft in Java is not nearly as bad as the cruft in C++. That's a personal opinion though, I'm mostly a Java programmer in my day jo

Agreed but in my opinion the cruft in Java is not nearly as bad as the cruft in C++. That's a personal opinion though, I'm mostly a Java programmer in my day job so that may cloud my perception of the language because I'm so used to it. I've never fought with Java like I have with C++.