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> Does anyone else feel that way or am I being unreasonable? Not at all. It is not much of an exaggeration to say that the current situation with lack of dieta

by sedachv 10y ago

> Does anyone else feel that way or am I being unreasonable? Not at all. It is not much of an exaggeration to say that the current situation with lack of dietary/cosmetics product regulation in the United States is the result of a Mormon conspiracy: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/us/politics/21hatch.html http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/us/politics/21hatch.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/opinion/the-politics-of-fraudulent-dietary-supplements.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/opinion/the-politics-of-fr...

philipkglass 10y ago
I have enough libertarian sympathies that I'd be ok with people selling dietary supplements for human consumption, no clinical trials necessary, as long as it's all correctly labeled. Like, I really doubt that taking dried garlic capsules is going to affect your LDL cholesterol, but I'm fine with people trying that as long as all the sellers clearly and correctly label the product. But if some company is filling those capsules with dried onion instead of garlic, and trying to excuse it with "the real thing doesn't behave any differently," then I want the regulator-hammer to drop on them. The same goes for fraudulently labeled seafood, pet treats, honey, etc. These frauds should be policed better. It boggles the mind that some libertarians want the individual to make smart choices for themselves instead of the government pre-empting those choices (which I support in many cases - drug consumption and other risky behaviors) but also want to let fraud run rampant by gutting inspections and labeling requirements.
generj 10y ago
Is there a reason you used the term "Mormon conspiracy"? It detracts from the rest of your point. You hopefully wouldn't call Bernie Madoff's scheme a "Jewish conspiracy" just because the principal in that scheme was Jewish. If you had called something a Jewish conspiracy people would most likely have reacted very negatively - mostly out of the prosecution Jews have and do undergo, but also because it was very immaterial to his actions and seems bigoted prima facie. Unless you are describing a literal conspiracy by a religion it generally sounds terrible to describe an event by members of that religion by the title of the religion. Hatch is a morally bankrupt person, obviously. But that's on him.
- sedachv 10y ago
  > Is there a reason you used the term "Mormon conspiracy"? The vast majority of supplement scam companies (and their closely related scam cousins, multi-level marketing) in Utah are run by Mormons and have their origins in traditional Mormon herbal healing: http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/news/51175479-78/annual-companies-company-distributors.html.csp http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/news/5117547... It is important to note that Judaism is different from Mormonism, and most other religions, in that being a Jew is an ethnicity as well as a religion - you can be Jewish and be an atheist. Religion is a choice, and I consider all religions to be morally wrong and an impediment to rational thought and human freedom. The fact that most supplement scams in Utah are run by Mormons but most Utah Mormons are not scammers is correct and I hope apparent to everyone, and I did not mean to use hyperbole to imply otherwise.

by sedachv 10y ago

philipkglass 10y ago

I have enough libertarian sympathies that I'd be ok with people selling dietary supplements for human consumption, no clinical trials necessary, as long as it's all correctly labeled. Like, I really doubt that taking dried garlic capsules is going to affect your LDL cholesterol, but I'm fine with people trying that as long as all the sellers clearly and correctly label the product. But if some company is filling those capsules with dried onion instead of garlic, and trying to excuse it with "the real thing doesn't behave any differently," then I want the regulator-hammer to drop on them. The same goes for fraudulently labeled seafood, pet treats, honey, etc. These frauds should be policed better. It boggles the mind that some libertarians want the individual to make smart choices for themselves instead of the government pre-empting those choices (which I support in many cases - drug consumption and other risky behaviors) but also want to let fraud run rampant by gutting inspections and labeling requirements.

generj 10y ago

Is there a reason you used the term "Mormon conspiracy"? It detracts from the rest of your point. You hopefully wouldn't call Bernie Madoff's scheme a "Jewish conspiracy" just because the principal in that scheme was Jewish. If you had called something a Jewish conspiracy people would most likely have reacted very negatively - mostly out of the prosecution Jews have and do undergo, but also because it was very immaterial to his actions and seems bigoted prima facie. Unless you are describing a literal conspiracy by a religion it generally sounds terrible to describe an event by members of that religion by the title of the religion. Hatch is a morally bankrupt person, obviously. But that's on him.

sedachv 10y ago
> Is there a reason you used the term "Mormon conspiracy"? The vast majority of supplement scam companies (and their closely related scam cousins, multi-level marketing) in Utah are run by Mormons and have their origins in traditional Mormon herbal healing: http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/news/51175479-78/annual-companies-company-distributors.html.csp http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/news/5117547... It is important to note that Judaism is different from Mormonism, and most other religions, in that being a Jew is an ethnicity as well as a religion - you can be Jewish and be an atheist. Religion is a choice, and I consider all religions to be morally wrong and an impediment to rational thought and human freedom. The fact that most supplement scams in Utah are run by Mormons but most Utah Mormons are not scammers is correct and I hope apparent to everyone, and I did not mean to use hyperbole to imply otherwise.