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As I mentioned below, I've followed this from the beginning. I was reading the Podesta emails and following discussion in r/dncleaks when this stuff started pop

As I mentioned below, I've followed this from the beginning. I was reading the Podesta emails and following discussion in r/dncleaks when this stuff started popping up in there. I suppose it may have started on one of the chans first, I don't know. The "code words" list had the feel of an expert in the memetic arts. Anyway, I think you're right, it was the art of Tony Podesta and Alefantis that triggered a lot of people over. There was that one article about Podesta's collection mentioning the art photos of naked teens in his house where they took glee in the fact they shocked guests. Having been around art people a lot, I certainly understand the desire to provoke. Sometimes people will get provoked. You get different reactions outside the bubble.

nkurz 10y ago
I think this is the correct read. I also looked in as this story was forming, and found it to be more evidence that there's currently a 'cultural chasm' in America, with each side making false assumptions about 'what must follow' based on what they see of the other side. Here's a non-art example that I thought was culturally interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5b1qtf/comet_ping_pong_pizzagate_summary/d9nr3k9/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5b1qtf/comet_pi... Jake Sullivan is going to New Haven for the day, and comments that he'll be "eating some pizza". Hillary Clinton chimes in and says "Have a slice for me!". So the question on Reddit is "WHO THE FUCK ACTUALLY CARES TO LET SOMEONE KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO EAT PIZZA..."? And then a couple other people on Reddit answer, well, actually, New Haven is well known within certain circles for its excellent pizza, and actually it's fairly common for "hipsters" to "gush" about it with their friends. But I don't doubt that for many this sort of enthusiasm for the perfect slice is so foreign that "pedophilia" would in fact be a more believable explanation than "foodie".
- Melchizedek 10y ago
  I suspect the lack of religion and the sacred makes people glorify banal sensory experiences. Also, the lack of a common culture leads to using the least common denominator, like pizza, when looking for a point of connection. This is of course very foreign to people who are still somewhat part of the organic culture of traditional America.
- rblatz 10y ago
  I'm originally from southern Ohio, Skyline Chili is a local favorite. I most certainly am guilty of telling people that I'm going to go get chili when I'm back visiting. Between the left's nearly blind hatred of Trump and the right's nearly blind hatred of Clinton I have to wonder who or what benefits from such a divided populace.
  - CalChris 10y ago
    That is trivial equivocation. Trump and Hillary are in no sense equal. Hillary: Yale Law grad, partner, First Lady, Senator, Secretary of State Trump: born rich, businessman with 3500 lawsuits against him, settled fraud charges for $25M, 4 bankruptcies, misogynist, ... These are not the same. Yes, I'm on the left but my hatred of Trump is not blind. Nor is my admiration of Hillary (I voted for Bernie). Trump is an embarrassment to America and that division you correctly point out has been created over decades by right wing media.
hokkos 10y ago
When you know the ties between 4chan and child pornography you have to wonder at this manufactured outrage about "art photos of naked teens". And when user of 4chan project "cheese pizza" to child porn when it is only 4chan-speak, it seems totally disingenuous.

nkurz 10y ago

I think this is the correct read. I also looked in as this story was forming, and found it to be more evidence that there's currently a 'cultural chasm' in America, with each side making false assumptions about 'what must follow' based on what they see of the other side. Here's a non-art example that I thought was culturally interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5b1qtf/comet_ping_pong_pizzagate_summary/d9nr3k9/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5b1qtf/comet_pi... Jake Sullivan is going to New Haven for the day, and comments that he'll be "eating some pizza". Hillary Clinton chimes in and says "Have a slice for me!". So the question on Reddit is "WHO THE FUCK ACTUALLY CARES TO LET SOMEONE KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO EAT PIZZA..."? And then a couple other people on Reddit answer, well, actually, New Haven is well known within certain circles for its excellent pizza, and actually it's fairly common for "hipsters" to "gush" about it with their friends. But I don't doubt that for many this sort of enthusiasm for the perfect slice is so foreign that "pedophilia" would in fact be a more believable explanation than "foodie".

Melchizedek 10y ago
I suspect the lack of religion and the sacred makes people glorify banal sensory experiences. Also, the lack of a common culture leads to using the least common denominator, like pizza, when looking for a point of connection. This is of course very foreign to people who are still somewhat part of the organic culture of traditional America.
rblatz 10y ago
I'm originally from southern Ohio, Skyline Chili is a local favorite. I most certainly am guilty of telling people that I'm going to go get chili when I'm back visiting. Between the left's nearly blind hatred of Trump and the right's nearly blind hatred of Clinton I have to wonder who or what benefits from such a divided populace.
- CalChris 10y ago
  That is trivial equivocation. Trump and Hillary are in no sense equal. Hillary: Yale Law grad, partner, First Lady, Senator, Secretary of State Trump: born rich, businessman with 3500 lawsuits against him, settled fraud charges for $25M, 4 bankruptcies, misogynist, ... These are not the same. Yes, I'm on the left but my hatred of Trump is not blind. Nor is my admiration of Hillary (I voted for Bernie). Trump is an embarrassment to America and that division you correctly point out has been created over decades by right wing media.

hokkos 10y ago

When you know the ties between 4chan and child pornography you have to wonder at this manufactured outrage about "art photos of naked teens". And when user of 4chan project "cheese pizza" to child porn when it is only 4chan-speak, it seems totally disingenuous.