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This has nothing to do with "liberal echo chamber". Most opinion polls indicated that Clinton would win, and most people believed so. That's all there is to it.

by nandemo 10y ago

This has nothing to do with "liberal echo chamber". Most opinion polls indicated that Clinton would win, and most people believed so. That's all there is to it. > That's about a 1% difference. I don't see how that translates to "surprised most of us"! You can't use the result of the elections to claim that the result was "expected"! The stock market expected a Clinton win, and so did betting markets outside the US: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/07/betting-sites-see-record-wagering-on-us-presidential-election.html http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/07/betting-sites-see-record-wage... Arguably, at some point even Trump indicated that he believed Clinton would win, when he claimed the elections were "rigged".

philovivero 10y ago
You don't think maybe the elections really were rigged? Here's a video where a computer programmer who worked on voting systems is questioned under oath, and he makes some pretty good arguments that elections are rigged. At least the ones where electronic voting machines are used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxGGnmRQAs&t=92s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxGGnmRQAs&t=92s I'll admit, I didn't bother researching, but I'd understood a lot of electronic voting machines were used in the election we just underwent. The results of the election only slightly surprised me, but I've gone to great lengths to avoid ingesting media from mainstream sources. Outside the mainstream, Trump's popularity was quite a bit more obvious.
- nandemo 10y ago
  To be honest, I have no opinion on the rigging claim. I'm not a US citizen or resident and I don't know much about how y'all go about actually voting. My point is that candidate B claimed the election would be rigged against him; it's not a stretch to assume he thought candidate A would probably win at that point.

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This has nothing to do with "liberal echo chamber". Most opinion polls indicated that Clinton would win, and most people believed so. That's all there is to it.

by nandemo 10y ago

philovivero 10y ago
You don't think maybe the elections really were rigged? Here's a video where a computer programmer who worked on voting systems is questioned under oath, and he makes some pretty good arguments that elections are rigged. At least the ones where electronic voting machines are used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxGGnmRQAs&t=92s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxGGnmRQAs&t=92s I'll admit, I didn't bother researching, but I'd understood a lot of electronic voting machines were used in the election we just underwent. The results of the election only slightly surprised me, but I've gone to great lengths to avoid ingesting media from mainstream sources. Outside the mainstream, Trump's popularity was quite a bit more obvious.
- nandemo 10y ago
  To be honest, I have no opinion on the rigging claim. I'm not a US citizen or resident and I don't know much about how y'all go about actually voting. My point is that candidate B claimed the election would be rigged against him; it's not a stretch to assume he thought candidate A would probably win at that point.