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Charts don't measure what they don't ask. Graphs and numbers don't measure emotions. The "data" on why Trump / Brexit won is hilarious. Correlation does not equ

Charts don't measure what they don't ask. Graphs and numbers don't measure emotions. The "data" on why Trump / Brexit won is hilarious. Correlation does not equal causation. By the way I just got downvoted again, and someone went through my username linked threads and downvoted them too. Welcome to the new HN, it wasn't like this 5 years ago. You can't talk anymore. You have to use code-words.

pizza 10y ago
Specifically?
- philovivero 10y ago
  I could take a stab. Polls were specifically rigged to show a Democrat victory. I suspect that's what he's referring to. There are only a few owners of American media, and they have their agenda. This election cycle was a bit odd in that the normal right-leaning media companies were aligned with the left-leaning ones, so you got bad-mouthing of Trump all-around. Once the right-leaning media realised they were about to put Hillary into the White House, they did an about face and started doing their normal biased reporting. Meanwhile, the left-leaning media kept their bias strong from the start. This seems to be playing out similarly in Great Britain, with their media taking sides, and at the moment, the left-leaning market forces are stronger. I suspect this is due to the huge benefits globalism brings to the media owners and their financial friends. The problem is, the population at large doesn't benefit from globalism as directly and obviously as the media owners, so they're not playing along with the game anymore. Just a guess, mind you. GP might be on about something else.
  - notahacker 10y ago
    > This seems to be playing out similarly in Great Britain, with their media taking sides, and at the moment, the left-leaning market forces are stronger. I suspect this is due to the huge benefits globalism brings to the media owners and their financial friends. I don't think anybody even casually familiar with British media would argue that "left-leaning market forces are stronger" or that the British media is anything other than rabidly hostile (both on the Brexit right and anti-"neoliberalism" left) to globalism.
    - notahacker 10y ago
      Downvote me all you like, but the circulation of individual right-wing nationals like the Sun and Mail exceeds the circulation of all the left leaning newspapers (basically only the Guardian, the Mirror and the i since the Independent folded its offline operation due to lack of sales...) put together. It's hard to argue that "left leaning market forces are stronger" when the right leaning press has more outlets and the individually dominant news source in every category. It's also pretty hard to argue that the left-wing, Remain-backing Guardian's doesn't publish a lot more commentary criticising the shortcomings of globalisation and berating international capital than pieces extolling its virtues.

pizza 10y ago

Specifically?

philovivero 10y ago
I could take a stab. Polls were specifically rigged to show a Democrat victory. I suspect that's what he's referring to. There are only a few owners of American media, and they have their agenda. This election cycle was a bit odd in that the normal right-leaning media companies were aligned with the left-leaning ones, so you got bad-mouthing of Trump all-around. Once the right-leaning media realised they were about to put Hillary into the White House, they did an about face and started doing their normal biased reporting. Meanwhile, the left-leaning media kept their bias strong from the start. This seems to be playing out similarly in Great Britain, with their media taking sides, and at the moment, the left-leaning market forces are stronger. I suspect this is due to the huge benefits globalism brings to the media owners and their financial friends. The problem is, the population at large doesn't benefit from globalism as directly and obviously as the media owners, so they're not playing along with the game anymore. Just a guess, mind you. GP might be on about something else.
- notahacker 10y ago
  > This seems to be playing out similarly in Great Britain, with their media taking sides, and at the moment, the left-leaning market forces are stronger. I suspect this is due to the huge benefits globalism brings to the media owners and their financial friends. I don't think anybody even casually familiar with British media would argue that "left-leaning market forces are stronger" or that the British media is anything other than rabidly hostile (both on the Brexit right and anti-"neoliberalism" left) to globalism.
  - notahacker 10y ago
    Downvote me all you like, but the circulation of individual right-wing nationals like the Sun and Mail exceeds the circulation of all the left leaning newspapers (basically only the Guardian, the Mirror and the i since the Independent folded its offline operation due to lack of sales...) put together. It's hard to argue that "left leaning market forces are stronger" when the right leaning press has more outlets and the individually dominant news source in every category. It's also pretty hard to argue that the left-wing, Remain-backing Guardian's doesn't publish a lot more commentary criticising the shortcomings of globalisation and berating international capital than pieces extolling its virtues.