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It would be one thing if California had a history of reasonable public finance policy but the argument looses weight when you consider how much money California

It would be one thing if California had a history of reasonable public finance policy but the argument looses weight when you consider how much money California is wasting on the Crony Express. You can't be the arbiter of fiscal responsibility while simultaneously building the equivalent of the Springfield monorail.

ardit33 10y ago
Do you think High Speed Rail is a stupid idea, or just the implementation is wasteful/corrupt? I am asking this as I am traveling from NYC to Boston via train, and it takes almost 4hrs on a french made train, while if it was in France, it would have taken only 1.5 hrs to 2hrs max. In one thing the US is behind the rest of the developed world, fast train travel is one of them.
- blackflame7000 10y ago
  The biggest problem is that the Santa Monica Mountains block the high speed rail from connecting to LA. The closest they can get is Burbank. Having lived in LA for college, I can tell you that the time it takes to get from say Santa Monica to Burbank is often more than it takes to fly to San Francisco from LAX. I'm not kidding. Flight Time: https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=LAX;t=SFO;d=2016-12-06;r=2016-12-10;q=lax+to+san+francisco+flight+time https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=LAX;t=SFO;d=2016-12... Traffic Time from Santa Monica to Burbank alone: https://www.google.com/search?q=santa+monica+to+burbank&btnG= https://www.google.com/search?q=santa+monica+to+burbank&btnG... The plan fully acknowledges this short coming and responds with nothing more than a shoulder shrug to the glaring problem. Now consider the costs of the train compared to that of a flight, when you have factored in LA's terrible public transportation and suddenly flights are clearly more economical. Even worse is that California only has less than 50% of the funding for the project secured and that is without cost overruns. Jerry Brown is hoping to put enough sunk cost into the rail line that we are forced to build the entire thing much to the benefit of the select few land owners in the central california. I'm all for improved public transportation but the whole thing is a giant scam taking advantage of Californians affinity for the environment and ignorance of bond measures.I have yet to hear a convincing argument on why people would take the train when they could be in SF by the time the get to the train station.
stanleydrew 10y ago
Note that I'm not making an argument, so I don't necessarily disagree with you. I was merely pointing out that trying to avoid differing opinions likely isn't the main motivation behind this.

ardit33 10y ago

Do you think High Speed Rail is a stupid idea, or just the implementation is wasteful/corrupt? I am asking this as I am traveling from NYC to Boston via train, and it takes almost 4hrs on a french made train, while if it was in France, it would have taken only 1.5 hrs to 2hrs max. In one thing the US is behind the rest of the developed world, fast train travel is one of them.

blackflame7000 10y ago
The biggest problem is that the Santa Monica Mountains block the high speed rail from connecting to LA. The closest they can get is Burbank. Having lived in LA for college, I can tell you that the time it takes to get from say Santa Monica to Burbank is often more than it takes to fly to San Francisco from LAX. I'm not kidding. Flight Time: https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=LAX;t=SFO;d=2016-12-06;r=2016-12-10;q=lax+to+san+francisco+flight+time https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=LAX;t=SFO;d=2016-12... Traffic Time from Santa Monica to Burbank alone: https://www.google.com/search?q=santa+monica+to+burbank&btnG= https://www.google.com/search?q=santa+monica+to+burbank&btnG... The plan fully acknowledges this short coming and responds with nothing more than a shoulder shrug to the glaring problem. Now consider the costs of the train compared to that of a flight, when you have factored in LA's terrible public transportation and suddenly flights are clearly more economical. Even worse is that California only has less than 50% of the funding for the project secured and that is without cost overruns. Jerry Brown is hoping to put enough sunk cost into the rail line that we are forced to build the entire thing much to the benefit of the select few land owners in the central california. I'm all for improved public transportation but the whole thing is a giant scam taking advantage of Californians affinity for the environment and ignorance of bond measures.I have yet to hear a convincing argument on why people would take the train when they could be in SF by the time the get to the train station.

stanleydrew 10y ago

Note that I'm not making an argument, so I don't necessarily disagree with you. I was merely pointing out that trying to avoid differing opinions likely isn't the main motivation behind this.