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Hey, thank you for sharing your opinion. You seem to be abusing of whataboutism and straw manning in your comment. It's difficult to discuss when the goal post

Hey, thank you for sharing your opinion. You seem to be abusing of whataboutism and straw manning in your comment. It's difficult to discuss when the goal posts are moved :) In any case, I especially wanted to follow up on two things: your assumption that I think women are harassed at work based on articles is wrong on so many levels. I do have family, friends, colleagues and I see them suffering struggles that I or other male friends or colleagues don't have to go through. I see this with my own eyes. The second is that you say males suffer more violence than women do. Yes, that's true. Who are however the ones causing such violence? But that doesn't change things. Men have been abusing their superior physical power to abuse women during history and even today in almost every part of the world. None of that undermines you as a person for being a white male. I am fully aware of the rampant numbers on male depression and suicide rates. I am also aware that males feel often less inclined to look for help when in trouble, including extreme situations like being raped. It is however the very same ideology that ostracise women the ones that will put pressure on you to "man up" and call you a pussy, a loser and a failure if you can't get a promotion, a submissive girlfriend or sustain a big stereotypical family with your salary. The very same people that cause your biggest worries are the same people that tell you the rest are to blame for those. Please take a moment to think about why there's so much psychological pressure on men to be career successful... It's the same root cause that ostracises women. We're in this together, please don't give hate a chance. PS: I'm not surprised an educated person can share your opinion. It has nothing to do with studies and knowledge. I don't live in a ivory tower :-)

tajen 10y ago
In my case, the worst psychological trauma (because we have to call it what it is) were given by women. Specifically, one at high school and one who was my girlfriend. Society hasn't punished those women, and when I seeked for help, society (my mother, colleagues, friends, psychologists) didn't believe the trauma was that big, they just encouraged me to get over it. So yes, I agree the bro attitude is what caused society to tell me that. I agree we need to ditch it. But as it stands, society ditches the bro attitude only when a woman is the victim. A man who doesn't want the car that goes with the job isn't a real man, while it's ok for women. Society specifically helps women because they're shy and too unconfident to be promoted as managers, but not men with the same traits. That's why we need to fix prejudices like "All women are victims", "Women are paid .77 per dollar" or "Women are more clever than men". We need to remove the gender from those sentences. "Weak people are psychologically harmed at home", "Unconfident people aren't promoted despite better skills", "Shy people are paid less than their peers", etc. It's ok if those happen to be 95% women: Let's help people based on their weakness, not based on their gender. About hate: Well the damage is done, so what you want from me is that I pardon women. It's not time to do it, when most party still propose even more advantages for women without acknowledging male-specific difficulties. As soon as equality for men is a right, I'll forgive what I've been through.
- dang 10y ago
  It's fine to post about your personal experiences when they're relevant to a good conversation, but not as part of off-topic ideological rants. The latter are not ok here; please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13011538 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13011538.
- NetStrikeForce 10y ago
  Hey, as we're way off-topic, feel free to hit me up on my profile's email address if you'd like to talk.

tajen 10y ago

In my case, the worst psychological trauma (because we have to call it what it is) were given by women. Specifically, one at high school and one who was my girlfriend. Society hasn't punished those women, and when I seeked for help, society (my mother, colleagues, friends, psychologists) didn't believe the trauma was that big, they just encouraged me to get over it. So yes, I agree the bro attitude is what caused society to tell me that. I agree we need to ditch it. But as it stands, society ditches the bro attitude only when a woman is the victim. A man who doesn't want the car that goes with the job isn't a real man, while it's ok for women. Society specifically helps women because they're shy and too unconfident to be promoted as managers, but not men with the same traits. That's why we need to fix prejudices like "All women are victims", "Women are paid .77 per dollar" or "Women are more clever than men". We need to remove the gender from those sentences. "Weak people are psychologically harmed at home", "Unconfident people aren't promoted despite better skills", "Shy people are paid less than their peers", etc. It's ok if those happen to be 95% women: Let's help people based on their weakness, not based on their gender. About hate: Well the damage is done, so what you want from me is that I pardon women. It's not time to do it, when most party still propose even more advantages for women without acknowledging male-specific difficulties. As soon as equality for men is a right, I'll forgive what I've been through.

dang 10y ago
It's fine to post about your personal experiences when they're relevant to a good conversation, but not as part of off-topic ideological rants. The latter are not ok here; please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13011538 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13011538.
NetStrikeForce 10y ago
Hey, as we're way off-topic, feel free to hit me up on my profile's email address if you'd like to talk.