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I sense alot of frustration and I hope this is cathartic for you. Your not entirely wrong that I dont understand the homeless problem. Would you going in depth

I sense alot of frustration and I hope this is cathartic for you. Your not entirely wrong that I dont understand the homeless problem. Would you going in depth? I can respond but I get the impression you have alot to get off your chest.

Mz 10y ago
Don't hang your crap on me. I do not have a lot to get off my chest. I know a lot about the subject and you are making incredibly offensive, ill informed remarks. If you want to know some of what I have already said about the topic, you can check out http://sandiegohomelesssurvivalguide.blogspot.com/ http://sandiegohomelesssurvivalguide.blogspot.com/ or http://whathelpsthehomeless.blogspot.com/ http://whathelpsthehomeless.blogspot.com/. I am the author of both of them. And I have work to do today. It isn't like you are going to fatten my wallet, so I don't have more time to put up with your incredibly insulting, prejudiced assumptions about me in order to try to further enlighten you. Also, poor people do not need catharsis. They need solutions. So don't go pretending you care about me by wishing me catharsis. Any big feels I have are rooted in actual problems, not in some inability to express my feelings.
- formula1 10y ago
  Thank you for the information! So you believe that the homeless problem is greater if not equal problem to tge student debt problem? What do you believe is a good solution to a large group of young able minds and bodies wasted from lack of employment and an oversaturation of low income workers due to the inability for college students to find middle class work?
  - tptacek 10y ago
    This response is not only incoherent but also attacks a straw man. "So you believe ${uncharitable reframing}" is almost never going to fly on HN.
    - formula1 10y ago
      Its a question. They changed the focus from student debt to homelessness. I want to understand their perspective so I ask it.
      - Mz 10y ago
        I did no such thing. That's disingenuous. I merely rebutted your offensive characterization of poor people, not all of whom are homeless. Like many people do, YOU chose to make it about homelessness because you, personally, are incapable of getting past this detail about my life in order to hear anything else I am actually saying. Your behavior towards me here is akin to calling someone of color by the N word and then pretending they have emotional baggage about their skin color when the only thing they have is a feeling of being offended by offensive behavior -- which gets yet more offensive with every additional remark by you. Because you are making zero effort whatsoever to understand what you are doing wrong here.
        formula1 10y ago
        That was a very caustic remark. If your looking for sympathy, you will not find it with me like that. If you are looking for conversation, this is not how you keep it with me. Thank you for your time.
tptacek 10y ago
You tried the same rhetorical tactic with me. It's unproductive. You're no better at sensing the emotional state of other commenters than anyone else is --- which is to say you're unable to do it with any accuracy, and should avoid it. What you're doing here is really just a prolix way of saying "lol umad bro". Stop. Instead of trying to read other people's minds, could you put a little more effort into making a coherent argument? Because I simply can't follow what you're trying to say. (If someone else wants to take a stab at explaining, I'd be happy for the explainer). If you'll recall, this subthread started out with me being similarly mystified by your attempt at formulating an argument about college tuition financing. When I observed that your argument contradicted itself, you responded by suggesting that I'm "angry at successful people", which is a pretty funny allegation. Maybe first get good at writing simple arguments, then (and only then) perfect "shock value".
- formula1 10y ago
  Do you mind explaining how I contradicted myself? Honestly, Im trying to view this as if Im a parent about my child. If my child went to a loan shark and did something stupid, I would be angry at them. If my child went the official "promised" route to a better life through college for low income or higher lifestyle, I would be proud. If my child never went to college, I eould think there is something wrong with them unless they had an alternative path to success. What is contradictary?
- Mz 10y ago
  As someone who is routinely responded to as if I am "shocking" just for being me: There is little to no real value to be had from shocking people on purpose. It suggests there is no real substance to the argument. I plan to move on. This individual has wasted enough of my time. Thank you for chiming in.

Mz 10y ago

Don't hang your crap on me. I do not have a lot to get off my chest. I know a lot about the subject and you are making incredibly offensive, ill informed remarks. If you want to know some of what I have already said about the topic, you can check out http://sandiegohomelesssurvivalguide.blogspot.com/ http://sandiegohomelesssurvivalguide.blogspot.com/ or http://whathelpsthehomeless.blogspot.com/ http://whathelpsthehomeless.blogspot.com/. I am the author of both of them. And I have work to do today. It isn't like you are going to fatten my wallet, so I don't have more time to put up with your incredibly insulting, prejudiced assumptions about me in order to try to further enlighten you. Also, poor people do not need catharsis. They need solutions. So don't go pretending you care about me by wishing me catharsis. Any big feels I have are rooted in actual problems, not in some inability to express my feelings.

formula1 10y ago
Thank you for the information! So you believe that the homeless problem is greater if not equal problem to tge student debt problem? What do you believe is a good solution to a large group of young able minds and bodies wasted from lack of employment and an oversaturation of low income workers due to the inability for college students to find middle class work?
- tptacek 10y ago
  This response is not only incoherent but also attacks a straw man. "So you believe ${uncharitable reframing}" is almost never going to fly on HN.
  - formula1 10y ago
    Its a question. They changed the focus from student debt to homelessness. I want to understand their perspective so I ask it.
    - Mz 10y ago
      I did no such thing. That's disingenuous. I merely rebutted your offensive characterization of poor people, not all of whom are homeless. Like many people do, YOU chose to make it about homelessness because you, personally, are incapable of getting past this detail about my life in order to hear anything else I am actually saying. Your behavior towards me here is akin to calling someone of color by the N word and then pretending they have emotional baggage about their skin color when the only thing they have is a feeling of being offended by offensive behavior -- which gets yet more offensive with every additional remark by you. Because you are making zero effort whatsoever to understand what you are doing wrong here.
      - formula1 10y ago
        That was a very caustic remark. If your looking for sympathy, you will not find it with me like that. If you are looking for conversation, this is not how you keep it with me. Thank you for your time.

tptacek 10y ago

You tried the same rhetorical tactic with me. It's unproductive. You're no better at sensing the emotional state of other commenters than anyone else is --- which is to say you're unable to do it with any accuracy, and should avoid it. What you're doing here is really just a prolix way of saying "lol umad bro". Stop. Instead of trying to read other people's minds, could you put a little more effort into making a coherent argument? Because I simply can't follow what you're trying to say. (If someone else wants to take a stab at explaining, I'd be happy for the explainer). If you'll recall, this subthread started out with me being similarly mystified by your attempt at formulating an argument about college tuition financing. When I observed that your argument contradicted itself, you responded by suggesting that I'm "angry at successful people", which is a pretty funny allegation. Maybe first get good at writing simple arguments, then (and only then) perfect "shock value".

formula1 10y ago
Do you mind explaining how I contradicted myself? Honestly, Im trying to view this as if Im a parent about my child. If my child went to a loan shark and did something stupid, I would be angry at them. If my child went the official "promised" route to a better life through college for low income or higher lifestyle, I would be proud. If my child never went to college, I eould think there is something wrong with them unless they had an alternative path to success. What is contradictary?
Mz 10y ago
As someone who is routinely responded to as if I am "shocking" just for being me: There is little to no real value to be had from shocking people on purpose. It suggests there is no real substance to the argument. I plan to move on. This individual has wasted enough of my time. Thank you for chiming in.