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>...made sure that every product you'd buy would be guaranteed to work with other products. If you had the money, you could focus on what you were trying to get

• madeofpalk 10y ago
  Incorrect http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0X2AM/A/usb-c-to-lightning-cable-1-m http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0X2AM/A/usb-c-to-lightni...
  • castis 10y ago
    Does either the phone or laptop come with that cable?
  • EpicEng 10y ago
    So, correct... until you buy a $20 cable which doesn't come with the damn phone or laptop. Yes, that is amazingly integrated and user friendly.
    • madeofpalk 10y ago
      Right. Sure, having to purchase an extra cable (after buying your $2000 laptop) might be fairly user-hostile, but the claim made was incorrect - there's not much arguing that. This is all kind of mitigated by the fact that users's just don't plug iOS devices in computers anymore to transfer stuff - Spotify (and iCloud) has eliminated most need for that. If people are plugging them in, its to charge them (which is pretty important), but you can just use the power adapter IF you have one around.
      • JustSomeNobody 10y ago
        I guess count me as an outlier. I still plug in to backup. I mean, why not? My computer, phone and cable are literally sitting right there next to me.
  • ctrl-j 10y ago
    So, after dropping $3,000+ in the Apple ecosystem, another $20 must be spent to get two Apple devices to communicate. But Microsoft and Google aren't as user friendly somehow?
    • kimolas 10y ago
      No money is needed to get the devices to communicate, because the devices are no longer expected to communicate. iOS has been fully independent of macOS (to end-users) for half its life.
      • robotresearcher 10y ago
        Also, they talk fine over WiFi, which is built into both. There's some Bluetooth stuff too, but I never figured that out. But it's very important not to allow your iPhone to talk to your Mac because that means iTunes will run and make everything worse.
        • nicky0 10y ago
          Me: I need to charge my phone, I'll just plug it into this handy USB port on my Mac... iTunes: Hello!
      • biktor_gj 10y ago
        I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. Millions of iPhone users have been migrating their phones from 4, to 4s, to 5 or 5s up to the iPhone 7. They have all their photos since 2010 stored in there and have inherited all the crap from every single unexpected reboot, failure and app residues, building up gb's of 'other files' as shown in iTunes. Most of iPhone users have a 5Gb iCloud account where not even a whatsapp backup fits, and they still need a computer to migrate all the data. Tell me again how are you going to migrate a 64 or 128 gb of data from one phone to another without using USB. That, and the fact that you're still unable to put music inside an iPhone if you don't a) buy it from the app store or b) using iTunes
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  • esotericsean 10y ago
    They're also moving towards everything wireless. I can't remember the last time I plugged my iPhone into my MBP. It syncs to iCloud and updates are all OTA.
    • y_u_no_rust 10y ago
      Their usb-c power adapter doesn't even come with a cable to connect it to the fucking laptop Apple needs to clean house their produces are causing more frustration than they are resolving at this point
    • ygjb-dupe 10y ago
      Yep, and that sure is nice if you are living in a country or region that has fast, cheap data. I don't buy into enough of the eco system, but do Apple devices sharing an Apple ID to sync over LAN/WLAN instead of hitting icloud?
      • eanzenberg 10y ago
        You dont need to use cellular data anywhere in this chain. You just need to be on the same wifi as the iphone
    • santaclaus 10y ago
      > I can't remember the last time I plugged my iPhone into my MBP. Yesterday at an airport to charge my phone! But I haven't synched via a cable in ages.
    • SiVal 10y ago
      My MacBook doesn't have its own data plan, so when I'm out and can't sponge off someone's free WiFi (or don't trust it), I tether my phone. It's a great thing to be able to do. And if I'm in that situation (often: in a library, a school parking lot waiting for my kid's basketball practice to end, etc.) I'm stingy about battery power. I turn off the Mac's Wifi (which makes a big difference), and wire tether my phone.
    • gogopuppygogo 10y ago
• orbitur 10y ago
  Yeah, it's a shame they gave you a cable that: - they don't expect you to plug into a computer at all except in emergency - can be plugged into the provided charger - can be plugged into a computer you're statistically more likely to have than a new MBP with only USB-C ports
  • appleiigs 10y ago
    He's OK with the cable. He's not OK with only USB-C ports.
  • kbenson 10y ago
    > - can be plugged into a computer you're statistically more likely to have than a new MBP with only USB-C ports With regard to the Apple ecosystem, I think it's valid to complain that the cable included with the new iphone does not connect to the new macbook, when they were announced at the same time. Even if it's only supposed to be used in an emergency, does that mean in an emergency you should be punished for staying within the Apple ecosystem?
    • orbitur 10y ago
      It was almost 2 months before USB-C appeared on the MBP line. The announcement came a full month after the iPhone 7s landed in people's hands.
      • nicky0 10y ago
        Yet the MacBook line has been USB-C only for a year and a half.
        • orbitur 10y ago
          So you're saying that it was even less statistically likely (before the release of the new MBPs) that an iPhone owner would have a computer with USB-C exclusively.
    • evan_ 10y ago
• gutnor 10y ago
  That's probably a temporary glitch in the Apple matrix however ... this is another announcement after the earlier announcement that they do not develop monitor anymore. They won't develop wifi anymore. They are definitively reducing the Mac line ( you may love or not the new MBP, but they are clearly settling down on a single line of laptop with 3.5 models, and at best a status quo with the rest ) So what does Apple still do ? They do iPhone, iPad and Watches with a limited cloud offering. Everything else is shrinking: Professional line of software and hardware, Mac line in general, hardware ecosystem, even the plain first party software are somewhat stable (I mean, yeah there is TV coming and the rest is same old same old) What is such a gigantic company doing with its boatload of money that they can't even ship 1 pair of headphone on time ? Even their flagship laptop recently announced has a 4 weeks waiting period, after working on it for 2 years ? (yeah this is an exaggeration, of course there are technical difficulties, but again that's Apple, an enormous, ultra-rich company focused on an extremely tiny product line)
  • abraae 10y ago
    We have a very small, cheap, basic 19" black Dell monitor sitting in the kitchen at home. When a new iphone arrived recently, I stuck the sticker that comes with it onto the base of the monitor. When an Apple loving friend came around I witnessed first hand the value of branding. She was entranced by this cool black Apple monitor and wanted to know where I had got it from. I'm pretty sure she would have paid at least $100 over the Dell price for such a cool Apple product. She was incredibly disappointed that it was a trick when she found out. The monitor no longer had any value in her eyes even though it was exactly the same as before. Apple can charge outrageous prices for their products, and people love them despite/because of that. Can't understand why they'd stop making monitors.
    • vacri 10y ago
      A colleague of mine dropped nearly $3k on a personal MacBook Pro, then cancelled his order when he found out about the new touch bar. Then he started looking at other laptops that were good quality (we were suggesting lenovo X1s or dell XPSs) and he balked at the prices just above $2k. "But these are considerably less than what you already had paid for a laptop!" -> "Yeah, but they're not Apple, and when people see Apple, they know you have a good laptop". That branding was literally worth almost $1k to my colleague...
• legulere 10y ago
  I can live with my phone not being able to be connected with my computer with a cable. The new keyboard, mouse and trackpad however pair by being connected through their lightning port. So when you buy a new macbook and the new external keyboard and mouse by apple you need an adapter additionally to be able to connect them with each other.
  • zaroth 10y ago
    Not being able to connect to your laptop... without the right cable? [1] Obviously you're going to need at least one of these [2] in your carrying case for any number of reasons. Equally obvious is in a couple years you won't need it, and you won't miss it. I mean this is the classic Apple playbook, and every time it ends the same way; Apple led the pack, too early for some, but ultimately they led. [1] - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01G1SKCPC https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01G1SKCPC [2] - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01AUKU1OO/ https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01AUKU1OO/