Yes, but before you did any of that you did printing. Admit it, the graphics came much later unless you started with logo. If you started with logo though, yo

Yes, but before you did any of that you did printing. Admit it, the graphics came much later unless you started with logo. If you started with logo though, you probably don't consider that language your first programming language. I just think that until there's a solid totally idiot proof way to do "write, run, fix" and get graphics you'll fail at this. It's this patter of writing out a file, running it, and fixing it that's missing really. But, I also think making things fun for people is overrated. Too often we think that in order to teach we have to entertain. Problem is that makes people (kids and adults) who can't learn anything hard. Hard problems are not entertaining. They may be satisfying, but until you've slogged through solving a bunch of them they aren't really entertaining. Anyway, I just don't think graphics and entertainment is where it's at. Making it possible to accomplish the exercises and feel like you learned something that gets you ready for fun and graphics is all I'm aiming for.