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The latest major Windows 10 update added more EMET features. I imagine by the time EMET is retired, it'll have everything. Retiring EMET seems to be another und

The latest major Windows 10 update added more EMET features. I imagine by the time EMET is retired, it'll have everything. Retiring EMET seems to be another underhanded trick by MS to get everyone off Win7 and onto 10. Enterprise that depends on it for security will be forced to move sooner than planned, or at least, not be allowed to skip 10 as by the time Windows 11 comes out, 7 will be out of support for quite some time.

derefr 10y ago
> not be allowed to skip 10 as by the time Windows 11 comes out... I thought Microsoft had claimed that there will be no more versions of Windows, only updates to 10.
- mgkimsal 10y ago
  now that apple dropped "OS X" and moved on to another naming scheme, MS is now free to follow suit.
- mtgx 10y ago
  Since there will be "no more versions of Windows" and "only updates to Windows 10", I'm curious how Microsoft will handle getting customers to "pay for Windows upgrades". I assume either that assumption is false, and this is just another bait and switch from Microsoft, and they will make customers pay for "big updates" for Windows 10 in the future - or they will try to at least transition businesses to a subscription for Windows. They're already seeding the idea that Windows 10 updates will not be free forever to unsuspecting tech writers by getting them to push headlines such as "Next Major Update Of Windows 10 Will Arrive In Month X, For Free" First off, everyone already assumes that Windows 10 updates would be free, since Windows "updates" have always been free - so why even bother to put such a "useless" fact in a word-constraint headline? The only explanation is that they're trying to prepare the public for when Windows 10 updates will not be free, and make them think "Oh, so the version after that may not be free anymore?!" and set that expectation.
  - toyg 10y ago
    There will still be upgrades to Office, so they just need to tie that in. At some point your O365 subscription will include Windows updates, with newer Office programs refusing to install on "insecure unpatched versions", and that will be it.
  - WorldMaker 10y ago
    «Since there will be "no more versions of Windows" and "only updates to Windows 10", I'm curious how Microsoft will handle getting customers to "pay for Windows upgrades".» Microsoft has stated pretty openly the obvious truth from OS surveys and telemetrics that statistically "no one" ever has paid for Windows upgrades. By far, statistically, consumers bought a PC and used whichever version of Windows came with that PC for the lifetime of that PC. In Enterprise where the cost model already including support and servicing and Windows upgrades, there was plenty of feet dragging and Enterprises have statistically paid extra to not upgrade Windows and/or paid for upgrades that they've never installed. Microsoft seems trying to "right size" the Windows pricing model by taking into account the reality that consumers were already expecting to pay for Windows only once in the lifetime of a device and that Enterprises "like" to pay more to not upgrade.
  - mjevans 10y ago
    They do this with how the upgrades to Windows 10 worked in the first place: Sell a license for Windows that is device specific. When you buy a new/replacement device you 'need' to buy Windows over again. Upgrading that CPU/mobo? Time for a new copy of Windows too.
  - mavhc 10y ago
    Either you pay a yearly subscription for Windows Enterprise, or you get ads
    - mtgx 10y ago
      Why not both? At least they're pushing them to the Pro version [1], as Microsoft seems to be trying to turn it into a more expensive "Home Premium", leaving professionals with only the most expensive Enterprise version as an option [2]. [1] http://www.infoworld.com/article/3101947/microsoft-windows/more-forced-advertising-creeps-into-windows-10-pro.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/3101947/microsoft-windows/m... [2] http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-windows-10-pro/ http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-...
dbl9 10y ago
As long as Microsoft isn't addressing the real blocker for people to skip Windows 8 and 10, they won't convince that user base. Those users might eventually move to 10, but will stick with 7 as long as they possibly can and the Windows apps they rely on support. I must say I don't understand the reasoning behind Microsoft not providing a Pro or Enterprise Windows version that doesn't use the existing users as tester for UI experiments or how much sensitive information they're willing to share on a desktop machine intended for very likely private work (authoring text, media, code, etc.). They're making the same mistake as GNOME and KDE are, with trying to shoehorn Tablet feature onto the desktop, while pretending the keyboard and mouse are less relevant now. I admit that there are those who are not power users and run Windows, but those that aren't are most likely better served with a lower maintenance solution like a Tablet with a bluetooth keyboard for writing sessions, and there the privacy invasion is already accepted by using a mobile OS. PC Gamers and creators are the power users who use Windows for various applications, and Microsoft is making life very hard for them by bundling the improvements in the subsystems with the mobile OS experience on top without offering the new kernel features and such with the old user experience and trustworthy environment. If you think about it, using a desktop environment that leaks like that for sensitive works doesn't make sense. Someone writing a book or movie script or working on an unpublished program doesn't want even only metadata about it to leak into cacheandclipboard.mscloud.azure.com. This is all very weird and self-destructive and provides fodder for those who would like to believe Microsoft, Google, Apple are adding these features on request by monitor+control agencies.

derefr 10y ago

> not be allowed to skip 10 as by the time Windows 11 comes out... I thought Microsoft had claimed that there will be no more versions of Windows, only updates to 10.

mgkimsal 10y ago
now that apple dropped "OS X" and moved on to another naming scheme, MS is now free to follow suit.
mtgx 10y ago
Since there will be "no more versions of Windows" and "only updates to Windows 10", I'm curious how Microsoft will handle getting customers to "pay for Windows upgrades". I assume either that assumption is false, and this is just another bait and switch from Microsoft, and they will make customers pay for "big updates" for Windows 10 in the future - or they will try to at least transition businesses to a subscription for Windows. They're already seeding the idea that Windows 10 updates will not be free forever to unsuspecting tech writers by getting them to push headlines such as "Next Major Update Of Windows 10 Will Arrive In Month X, For Free" First off, everyone already assumes that Windows 10 updates would be free, since Windows "updates" have always been free - so why even bother to put such a "useless" fact in a word-constraint headline? The only explanation is that they're trying to prepare the public for when Windows 10 updates will not be free, and make them think "Oh, so the version after that may not be free anymore?!" and set that expectation.
- toyg 10y ago
  There will still be upgrades to Office, so they just need to tie that in. At some point your O365 subscription will include Windows updates, with newer Office programs refusing to install on "insecure unpatched versions", and that will be it.
- WorldMaker 10y ago
  «Since there will be "no more versions of Windows" and "only updates to Windows 10", I'm curious how Microsoft will handle getting customers to "pay for Windows upgrades".» Microsoft has stated pretty openly the obvious truth from OS surveys and telemetrics that statistically "no one" ever has paid for Windows upgrades. By far, statistically, consumers bought a PC and used whichever version of Windows came with that PC for the lifetime of that PC. In Enterprise where the cost model already including support and servicing and Windows upgrades, there was plenty of feet dragging and Enterprises have statistically paid extra to not upgrade Windows and/or paid for upgrades that they've never installed. Microsoft seems trying to "right size" the Windows pricing model by taking into account the reality that consumers were already expecting to pay for Windows only once in the lifetime of a device and that Enterprises "like" to pay more to not upgrade.
- mjevans 10y ago
  They do this with how the upgrades to Windows 10 worked in the first place: Sell a license for Windows that is device specific. When you buy a new/replacement device you 'need' to buy Windows over again. Upgrading that CPU/mobo? Time for a new copy of Windows too.
- mavhc 10y ago
  Either you pay a yearly subscription for Windows Enterprise, or you get ads
  - mtgx 10y ago
    Why not both? At least they're pushing them to the Pro version [1], as Microsoft seems to be trying to turn it into a more expensive "Home Premium", leaving professionals with only the most expensive Enterprise version as an option [2]. [1] http://www.infoworld.com/article/3101947/microsoft-windows/more-forced-advertising-creeps-into-windows-10-pro.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/3101947/microsoft-windows/m... [2] http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-windows-10-pro/ http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-...

dbl9 10y ago

As long as Microsoft isn't addressing the real blocker for people to skip Windows 8 and 10, they won't convince that user base. Those users might eventually move to 10, but will stick with 7 as long as they possibly can and the Windows apps they rely on support. I must say I don't understand the reasoning behind Microsoft not providing a Pro or Enterprise Windows version that doesn't use the existing users as tester for UI experiments or how much sensitive information they're willing to share on a desktop machine intended for very likely private work (authoring text, media, code, etc.). They're making the same mistake as GNOME and KDE are, with trying to shoehorn Tablet feature onto the desktop, while pretending the keyboard and mouse are less relevant now. I admit that there are those who are not power users and run Windows, but those that aren't are most likely better served with a lower maintenance solution like a Tablet with a bluetooth keyboard for writing sessions, and there the privacy invasion is already accepted by using a mobile OS. PC Gamers and creators are the power users who use Windows for various applications, and Microsoft is making life very hard for them by bundling the improvements in the subsystems with the mobile OS experience on top without offering the new kernel features and such with the old user experience and trustworthy environment. If you think about it, using a desktop environment that leaks like that for sensitive works doesn't make sense. Someone writing a book or movie script or working on an unpublished program doesn't want even only metadata about it to leak into cacheandclipboard.mscloud.azure.com. This is all very weird and self-destructive and provides fodder for those who would like to believe Microsoft, Google, Apple are adding these features on request by monitor+control agencies.