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Doom on the MacBook Pro Touch Bar [video]
- mehrdada 10y agoIt's funny, a long time ago, my brother and I were debating what would be a good definition that draws a line between a real "computer", as opposed to a calculator/controller/toy/etc. I was advocating running a real OS kernel as a heuristic (but then you'd have to define what a "real kernel" would be), and him, being a Doom fan, came up with: "It counts as a real computer if it runs Doom."
- out_of_protocol 10y agoBetter heuristic: You can run custom programms on it (doom included ;))
- daveslash 10y agoI just had to take 5 to ask my brother what his Hacker News handle is to confirm that you're not him.
- dosshell 10y agoI'm sorry to tell you it is even more complicated than if it can run doom. Does this count as doom? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TuupoxmeQ6U https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TuupoxmeQ6U Another definition i have seen is the QWERTY keyboard restriction. If i remember correctly some good calculators from Texas Instruments have abc keyword to be allowed on some big math tests in US. (Or is this maybe just a myth in Europe?)
- eganist 10y agoI've always considered a TI-83 to be a computer in its own right. It's called a calculator, but for as long as it's been a thing, it's been used as a more general computer as well.
- qwertyuiop924 10y agoTI-83 has alphabetic input (but not QWERTY) Also, that's quite clearly not Doom. A Doom port must have at least E1 of the original Doom, with minimal layout changes. That means multiple levels, and up/down moving platforms, by definition.
- gohrt 10y agoThat video looks more like wolfenstein
- zokier 10y ago> If i remember correctly some good calculators from Texas Instruments have abc keyword to be allowed on some big math tests in US. (Or is this maybe just a myth in Europe?) Not a myth. College Board has a blanket ban on QWERTY keyboards in tests, so TI Nspire line has ABCDEF keyboards
- toyg 10y agoWait, why would they ban keyboard layouts?
- qwertyuiop924 10y agoThat is insane. Why? But then, a lot of things about the College Board are pretty nuts: It is the reason that graphing calculator companies can continue to scam the public by selling overpriced machines running at absurdly low speeds (Their most popular calculator is a 6-15MHz Z80, with 48-128K ram (but YOU, the programmer, can only access 24K): That's pathetic, and yet you can buy a chromebook (a LAPTOP capable of running the famously resource-hungry Chrome) for the same price). The Plus CE did a bit to improve this, but it's still less capable then the phone in your pocket: That is inexcusable).
- zokier 10y ago> Their most popular calculator is a 6-15MHz Z80, with 48-128K ram (but YOU, the programmer, can only access 24K): That's pathetic, and yet you can buy a chromebook (a LAPTOP capable of running the famously resource-hungry Chrome) for the same price). The Plus CE did a bit to improve this, but it's still less capable then the phone in your pocket: That is inexcusable). The Nspire line isn't that bad.. It's not high-end by any means (it's still a damn calculator), but it at least got the lineup to 21st century.
- anexprogrammer 10y agoProgrammable calculators and computers are rather close, no? What about eCig batteries? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvQ6K8ariWs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvQ6K8ariWs
- jmiserez 10y agoTI Voyage-200 and TI-92+ had a QWERTY keyboard, and almost the same internals as the TI-89.
- spacehacker 10y agoIt is the same with questions like what counts as intelligence, what counts as alive? The boundaries shy away. In fact it is probably impossible to find simple definitions for these terms, i.e. definitions that get by without special rules for all kinds of instances which just feel more intelligent, alive or like a computer, or less. The definition is irreducible in the sense that we cannot explain our intuition without tracing back the history of our species and of the memes and neuronal firing patterns inside our brains, information that likely cannot be compressed very well. The same applies to human values. Stephen Wolfram just gave an interesting talk and Q/A session on this problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxQwpdB9wbg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxQwpdB9wbg
- cyberferret 10y ago> "It counts as a real computer if it runs Doom." Haha. I remember back in the days when the benchmark for computing and graphic processing power was measured in terms of "Does it run Microsoft Flight Simulator?"
- DanBC 10y agoAlso, "Is it a real PC clone?" used the "will it run MS Flight Simulator" test. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=D0O_-ER3Z_gC&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=flight+simulator+test+of+pc+clone&source=bl&ots=cLSFM3gAq5&sig=OQP3Wmr8_GaTPY4_QM6_lnn-oC0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizjqjl4LrQAhXpLcAKHcC3CTsQ6AEIMTAD#v=onepage&q=flight%20simulator%20test%20of%20pc%20clone&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=D0O_-ER3Z_gC&pg=PA168&lp... (Bottom of 3rd column) https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PjwEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=flight+simulator+test+of+pc+clone&source=bl&ots=1xukhJrNgB&sig=e5cHAv6NPPmGG53gbHQus8ijiOs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizjqjl4LrQAhXpLcAKHcC3CTsQ6AEIMzAE#v=onepage&q=flight%20simulator%20test%20of%20pc%20clone&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PjwEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA41&lpg... https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Wcv9oIHOrjQC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=flight+simulator+test+of+pc+clone&source=bl&ots=BAd3pvR9fN&sig=On7xLuAn2417eKshzvpNW7YbMyo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizjqjl4LrQAhXpLcAKHcC3CTsQ6AEINTAF#v=onepage&q=flight%20simulator%20test%20of%20pc%20clone&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Wcv9oIHOrjQC&pg=PA170&lp...
- dashoffset 10y agoIf it can run a Turing machine simulator, then it's a real computer.
- WayneBro 10y agoIt counts as a real computer if you can program it with itself. That's my bar at least.
- gohrt 10y agoDoes this count? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xCd55oSgO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xCd55oSgO4
- vacri 10y agoA million headless servers would disagree :)
- neilellis 10y agoXvfb?
- qwertyuiop924 10y agoA million headless servers can X-forward DOOM to a desktop.
- bane 10y agoThe demoscene doesn't really much care for these distinctions, if it has at least a display, the scene will try to get a cube rotating on it, or some copper bars, or something.
- dividuum 10y agoSometimes even a display isn't necessary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1f6UE27KTo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1f6UE27KTo
- dbarlett 10y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20061029111228/http://www.itplaysdoom.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20061029111228/http://www.itplay...
- jdalgetty 10y agoWhat's the resolution on the touch bar?
- khedoros1 10y ago2170x60
- astrodust 10y agoI can only imagine the company sourcing these displays thought that was a typo. It's such a crazy aspect ratio. In another universe that touchbar would be used to relentlessly hound people with advertising since a classic 468x60 ad would snug right in there.
- toyg 10y agoGive it a few months, and that "other universe" will silently merge with our own. YOU HAVE BEEN INFECTED - CLICK HERE TO CLEAN IT! <click> ... <touchbar gets full of jumping monkeys> HIT THE MONKEY TO WIN $$$$$ !
- lloeki 10y agoJust wait for the Chrome team to make it have a JS API
- drcode 10y agoThey probably thought Apple was building one of these: http://www.startrek.com/database_article/la-forge-Geordi http://www.startrek.com/database_article/la-forge-Geordi
- walrus01 10y agohttp://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-t-see-shit-captain http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-t-see-shit-captain
- nkrisc 10y ago
- tscs37 10y agoOnly a question of time, really.
- bresc 10y agoSlightly off topic but it happened so often in the past, that apple products would be ridiculed on launch. Now the same people who complained how Apple is not making computers for them anymore are thinking of "cool" ways to hack the touch bar.
- qwertyuiop924 10y agoThe classic Doom Law of Computing: As the time from a computer's release increases, the odds that it will gain a Doom port approaches one. This is probably in part because Doom is simple enough to implement on most (relatively modern) machines, but also because we're all massive nerds, and Doom is one of the most beloved computer games ever (right behind Tetris, SMB, and Quake).
- bane 10y agoIf you can believe it, the classic Japanese x68000 machines still don't have a completely working port of the game.
- qwertyuiop924 10y agoWait, the m68k? No, that's not right: The Amiga got a port, and it's 68k. Or are you thinking of a different processor?
- bane 10y agoBehold, the greatest computer of its age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X68000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X68000 and a great video on some of the games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPt69UCyIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPt69UCyIA
- qwertyuiop924 10y agoAh. You should be able to port DOOM to that fairly easily. Especially if it's got SDL, but even if it doesn't... I expect nobody has bothered yet, because it was Japan-only, and DOOM is largely a western phenomenon: I don't think Japan even got DOOM when it was first released.
- Kenji 10y agoOkay, this is the first time the touch bar convinces me, hahaha.
- smegel 10y agoI didn't know the bar was that high res.
- dogma1138 10y agoThis is clearly a gross misuse of the capabilities of the new MBP, clearly it was designed for flappy bird....
- rzzzt 10y agoWolfenstein 1D would fit the bill as well: http://www.wonder-tonic.com/wolf1d/ http://www.wonder-tonic.com/wolf1d/
- BWStearns 10y agoBetween cat videos, Rick Astley, and Doom Everywhere future digital alien archeologists are going to be very confused.
- adamrezich 10y agoNeat! But how great would it be if it just rendered the DOOM status bar down there, while the rest of the game rendered fullscreen on the main display? :D
- ehmuidifici 10y agoThe best comment on YT so far: minigunexo12 hours ago (edited) 1300$ just to play doom, amazing we've come full circle.
- philbot1008 10y agoI'm holding out for the one with "special offers" pricing :D