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I personally wish they would go and buy a Mac and leave the desktop as it is.

by xtho 16y ago

tuxychandru 16y ago
Care to elaborate? Apple's products and Ubuntu are entirely different in how they are managed. While Apple's is an almost entirely closed ecosystem, Ubuntu's is almost entirely open. What's wrong with someone trying to innovate in the PC desktop space?
- xtho 16y ago
  I don't consider copying a single menu bar as it is used on Macs since 1984 as an innovation. I detested the single menu bar on my Mac classic and I always thought the Windows way were preferable -- back then I was a Mac user. And I always found the arguments that Mac zealots put forwards in favour of the single menu bar, were ridiculous. And this post reminds me much to much of the justifications of back then. Those arguments were ridiculous in the 1990s and they still are in the 2010s. If they thought the menu bar takes too much space, they whould work on minimizing it while it's not in use. But they shouldn't dislocate it from the window to which it belongs.
  - rimantas 16y ago
    There's nothing ridiculous in Fitts' law.
    - xtho 16y ago
      It is for notebook (incl. netbook) users who hardly ever use the mouse/trackpad.
      - maggit 16y ago
        Just for reference, so we can all agree on what consitutes Fitts's law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts_law ---- "Fitts's law is used to model the act of pointing", which means it might be less relevant for netbooks, but it still doesn't make it ridiculous. In other news, Fitts's law is totally irrelevant to the point Shuttleworth is making. The problem he is trying to address is that of screen real estate.
  - maggit 16y ago
    > But they shouldn't dislocate it from the window to which it belongs. In almost all cases on Ubuntu Netbook Remix, the window is maximised, so the menubar would still be attached to it. This is a part of Shuttleworth's argument.
raquo 16y ago
Lack of competition will kill Apple, so even if you love OSX, you'd better don't wish that.

I personally wish they would go and buy a Mac and leave the desktop as it is.

by xtho 16y ago

I personally wish they would go and buy a Mac and leave the desktop as it is.

Care to elaborate? Apple's products and Ubuntu are entirely different in how they are managed. While Apple's is an almost entirely closed ecosystem, Ubuntu's is almost entirely open. What's wrong with someone trying to innovate in the PC desktop space?

xtho 16y ago
I don't consider copying a single menu bar as it is used on Macs since 1984 as an innovation. I detested the single menu bar on my Mac classic and I always thought the Windows way were preferable -- back then I was a Mac user. And I always found the arguments that Mac zealots put forwards in favour of the single menu bar, were ridiculous. And this post reminds me much to much of the justifications of back then. Those arguments were ridiculous in the 1990s and they still are in the 2010s. If they thought the menu bar takes too much space, they whould work on minimizing it while it's not in use. But they shouldn't dislocate it from the window to which it belongs.
- rimantas 16y ago
  There's nothing ridiculous in Fitts' law.
  - xtho 16y ago
    It is for notebook (incl. netbook) users who hardly ever use the mouse/trackpad.
    - maggit 16y ago
      Just for reference, so we can all agree on what consitutes Fitts's law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts_law ---- "Fitts's law is used to model the act of pointing", which means it might be less relevant for netbooks, but it still doesn't make it ridiculous. In other news, Fitts's law is totally irrelevant to the point Shuttleworth is making. The problem he is trying to address is that of screen real estate.
- maggit 16y ago
  > But they shouldn't dislocate it from the window to which it belongs. In almost all cases on Ubuntu Netbook Remix, the window is maximised, so the menubar would still be attached to it. This is a part of Shuttleworth's argument.

raquo 16y ago

Lack of competition will kill Apple, so even if you love OSX, you'd better don't wish that.