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I do understand the point you're making -- my concern centers around deeply flawed models being used despite their shortcomings because their inherently progres
by ihsw 10y ago
I do understand the point you're making -- my concern centers around deeply flawed models being used despite their shortcomings because their inherently progressive slant is sacrosanct. They would instead be held up and fingers pointed elsewhere, either due to lack of data or incorrect usage of the resulting advice derived from existing bodies of data (or something more sinister, eg: sabotage by opposition parties).
What I'm trying to say is correcting discrimination under the guise that it's unfair to certain sections of society is chasing your own tail out of boredom -- what's the point? To improve society, or improve usefulness of machine learning-derived data to make radical (but necessary) decisions? Do we maintain our objectivity and move away from "improving society" when it's found to be counter-productive, or do we keep going forward with improving society and hope things get better?
Trying to "break out of the status quo" to produce more a accurate representation of the world sounds great, I'm totally all for removing human biases, but my concern is that it'll be handled badly to mistakenly attempt to benefit certain classes of society (eg: repeat of subprime mortgage crises from 07-09 but much more difficult to diagnose).
- tptacek 10y agoI'm not sure you understand my point, because you keep talking about "progressive slant", and I keep trying to explain to you that ML is going to be just as hard --- in fact, probably far harsher --- on "red state" voters. Think of it in terms of survival bias. ML models that discriminate against the well-educated urban workers that design and deploy them are not going to make it to production if they obviously discriminate against their own designers. Those developers and "data scientists" are not going to notice if those same models happen to deny college admission to kids who took a year off after graduating to work at a factory to help pay for their siblings room and board.
- ihsw 10y agoThat is actually a good analogy. Thank you for that.