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I'd assume he's a poor white man, from the very beginning. White, because most people in the US are white.

Retric 10y ago
Interesting you said poor, at the time he had over 6 million in a trust fund and stood to inherent vastly more. Some people change their minds because of the community service vs. prison but some don't. PS: PCP has a reputation as a rural poor white persons drug. I wonder if you would have had a different impression if I started by saying he got community service.
- striking 10y ago
  Look, if we're talking about assumptions, we're talking about probability. I have no idea who you're talking about. I'll happen upon some statistics once in a while, but otherwise will avoid making assumptions because I simply don't know. You asked me for what I'd say was most statistically probable, you got it. I assume you mean "PCP" and not what circuit boards are printed on, yeah. You're right, I've never heard of a rich person taking PCP (cocaine, fancy liquor, etc. for them, right?) although I'm absolutely unsure of how PCP use breaks down racially. (If you have any source for those statistics, you've piqued my interest in them and I'd love a link) Again, my guess of "white" was based on the fact that most people are white, and thus most cases of violence (without further stratification) are probably by whites. And what, do African-Americans not get community service? That probably wouldn't have changed my mind, and actually sounds a little bit racist.
  - Retric 10y ago
    No, people assume poor people are less likely to get community service after assaulting police officers. Further, you pulled poor from thin air so you did make an assumption without evidence.
    - striking 10y ago
      Poor people are more likely to commit street crime. > Findings on social class differences in crime are less clear than they are for gender or age differences. Arrests statistics and much research indicate that poor people are much more likely than wealthier people to commit street crime. > [...] most criminologists would probably agree that social class differences in criminal offending are “unmistakable” (Harris & Shaw, 2000, p. 138). http://catalog.flatworldknowledge.com/bookhub/reader/3064?e=barkansoc_1.0-ch08_s03 http://catalog.flatworldknowledge.com/bookhub/reader/3064?e=... And again, as you admitted, PCP has the connotation of being used by poor people. I can't find stats on it right now, having just run out of time, but you even admitted it directly. I didn't pull it out of thin air.
      - Retric 10y ago
        As to connotation's, that's faulty reasoning. The only correct response to any of my questions was, not enough information. Yet, you where more than happy to try and both pick a response and then justify it. Even when I directly said you were wrong. Now, the same identical reasoning happens all over the place in the criminal justice system. Making the link between crime statistics and crimes almost meaningless. Arrest statistics are just that arrest statistics and they don't tell you about who was actually committing crimes. PS: I suspect you feel very confidante about his race, except I never confirmed or denied your assumption. Edit: TLDR; Making a judgement with limited evidence is a really bad habit. People soon forget they chose something because it was slightly better odds and reinforce the judgement so something that may have been even odds to start with often feels much more likely over time.

Interesting you said poor, at the time he had over 6 million in a trust fund and stood to inherent vastly more. Some people change their minds because of the community service vs. prison but some don't. PS: PCP has a reputation as a rural poor white persons drug. I wonder if you would have had a different impression if I started by saying he got community service.

striking 10y ago
Look, if we're talking about assumptions, we're talking about probability. I have no idea who you're talking about. I'll happen upon some statistics once in a while, but otherwise will avoid making assumptions because I simply don't know. You asked me for what I'd say was most statistically probable, you got it. I assume you mean "PCP" and not what circuit boards are printed on, yeah. You're right, I've never heard of a rich person taking PCP (cocaine, fancy liquor, etc. for them, right?) although I'm absolutely unsure of how PCP use breaks down racially. (If you have any source for those statistics, you've piqued my interest in them and I'd love a link) Again, my guess of "white" was based on the fact that most people are white, and thus most cases of violence (without further stratification) are probably by whites. And what, do African-Americans not get community service? That probably wouldn't have changed my mind, and actually sounds a little bit racist.
- Retric 10y ago
  No, people assume poor people are less likely to get community service after assaulting police officers. Further, you pulled poor from thin air so you did make an assumption without evidence.
  - striking 10y ago
    Poor people are more likely to commit street crime. > Findings on social class differences in crime are less clear than they are for gender or age differences. Arrests statistics and much research indicate that poor people are much more likely than wealthier people to commit street crime. > [...] most criminologists would probably agree that social class differences in criminal offending are “unmistakable” (Harris & Shaw, 2000, p. 138). http://catalog.flatworldknowledge.com/bookhub/reader/3064?e=barkansoc_1.0-ch08_s03 http://catalog.flatworldknowledge.com/bookhub/reader/3064?e=... And again, as you admitted, PCP has the connotation of being used by poor people. I can't find stats on it right now, having just run out of time, but you even admitted it directly. I didn't pull it out of thin air.
    - Retric 10y ago
      As to connotation's, that's faulty reasoning. The only correct response to any of my questions was, not enough information. Yet, you where more than happy to try and both pick a response and then justify it. Even when I directly said you were wrong. Now, the same identical reasoning happens all over the place in the criminal justice system. Making the link between crime statistics and crimes almost meaningless. Arrest statistics are just that arrest statistics and they don't tell you about who was actually committing crimes. PS: I suspect you feel very confidante about his race, except I never confirmed or denied your assumption. Edit: TLDR; Making a judgement with limited evidence is a really bad habit. People soon forget they chose something because it was slightly better odds and reinforce the judgement so something that may have been even odds to start with often feels much more likely over time.