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> or even noticeable by most people, I think it is, but on quite a subliminal level. As well as producing music I also DJ, and I notice a marked increase in e

by louthy 10y ago

> or even noticeable by most people, I think it is, but on quite a subliminal level. As well as producing music I also DJ, and I notice a marked increase in energy levels of people on a dancefloor when I play tracks that I know are made with analogue synths and drum machines. Two weeks ago I was playing at a club in London and played Donnato Dozzy - Gol [1], it's so simple as a track, almost nothing to it, but it's a real 303 and 808 that drives the track. I had tons of people asking me what it was, and I could see the room had got more energetic. I even had this conversation about it after the night. So even for those that don't know exactly why, I think they do feel. I've seen it happen lots of times. > But I'm buying all analog, and mostly VCO synths It's still there with DCOs in my opinion. They're cleaner for sure, but they still have that sound. My Juno 106 is one hell of a synth, and that's DCOs, as is my Waldorf Pulse 2 (which for almost no money is a great sounding machine), but then I have the VCOs: Moog Sub 37, Roland TB-303, Roland SH-101, and the incredible DSI OB-6. They're all amazing sound. Especially compared to my digital synths (Nord Lead A1, Roland Super JV 1080). I've stopped using plugins completely now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZzZ1jdvIyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZzZ1jdvIyM

dharma1 10y ago
Nice track (Gol). I agree, in a stripped down setting the characteristics are more exposed, and digital synths can get boring quick. DCO - I like them too, I just have enough of them already (MKS-70, MKS-50, JX-3P, Cheetah MS6). Might pick up the new Behringer 12 poly DCO if it's good, but that'll be enough DCO for me. Still plenty of room for VCO synths though, I've got 6-7 VCO mono synths but they are all small or racked and sound very different :)
- louthy 10y ago
  Behringer's name is mud in audio circles. You sure you want to go there?
  - dharma1 10y ago
    I'm not really a brand snob - whatever sounds good. They got a bad name for ripping off circuit designs, but there is some Behringer gear that does the job. The deepmind 12 is designed by ex-Midas/Klark Teknik engineers (Behringer bought them) and Uli has been wanting to release an analog synth for ages - I think it'll be alright, will reserve judgement. It'll probably sound too clean and will end up buying vintage VCO synths instead though :)
    - louthy 10y ago
      Sounds more interesting for sure (I have a Midas Venice F32, and a lot of respect for the Midas engineers). My comment was mostly about Behringer's poor build quality (reputation). Maybe just get a Jupiter 8, it'll save the hassle ;)
      - dharma1 10y ago
        J8 - one day :) For now I've been using this nifty app to join together multiple monophonic VCO synths to make a polyphonic VCO synth - http://polymer-app.com/ http://polymer-app.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMAxqrl6xs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMAxqrl6xs
        louthy 10y ago
        That's pretty cool!
tomduncalf 10y ago
Ooh, where did you play? Love that track, will have to try and catch you play sometime if you play that sort of thing :)
- louthy 10y ago
  > Ooh, where did you play? It's a new venue in Dalston called Club Makossa for the Dr Blacks night; near Dalston Superstore and the now defunct Dance Tunnel. > will have to try and catch you play sometime if you play that sort of thing I play a range of stuff, but yeah that's fairly typical for when I play out. I don't know when I'll be playing in London again, but will probs be back playing for Dr Blacks again in february. I have some stuff on my Soundcloud page that might be of interest: The last time I played at Fabric they asked me to do a mix for their blog to promo it. This starts off quite housey, but ends up in a similar area to the Donatto Dozzy sound: https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-fabric-mix-march-2011 https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-fabric-mix-march... A bit tougher, this is a live one from a festival in Austria : https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-live-at-sonnenpark https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-live-at-sonnenpa... On a more techno level, check out me and my friend DJing back-to-back for 4 hours as 'Waterwalk' in Berlin. There's a number of Donnato Dozzy tracks on there, and Peter Van Hoesen - who I consider to be quite similar as a producer (if a bit tougher): https://soundcloud.com/water-walk/waterwalk-live-from-staub-aboutblank-in-berlin-feb-2016 https://soundcloud.com/water-walk/waterwalk-live-from-staub-... This is quite deep dubby techno, a personal favourite: https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-lux https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-lux This is a live show on Ministry of Sound radio. A bit more melodic: https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-live-on-ministry-of-sound-radio-2008 https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-live-on-ministry... There's lots of other mixes on there, but those should be roughly in the right area if you like the Gol track.
- tomduncalf 10y ago
  Won't let me reply to you directly, but cool! I shall keep an eye out as I live round that neck of the woods - hadn't even heard of that venue. I'll give your mixes a listen tomorrow, cheers – recognised your name from the 4Four site I used to go on occasionally :)
l33tbro 10y ago
>I notice a marked increase in energy levels of people on a dancefloor when I play tracks that I know are made with analogue synths and drum machines. I'm sorry, but I cannot just let you get away with that. There are so, so many other factors that would "energise" people on a dance-floor than simply whether the source of one or two elements in the track playing are voltage or digital based. While analogue stuff does sound better (in my opinion), this, along with the inherent confirmation bias of such an observation, is utter make-believe.
- louthy 10y ago
  > I'm sorry, but I cannot just let you get away with that. There are so, so many other factors that would "energise" people on a dance-floor than simply whether the source of one or two elements in the track playing are voltage or digital based. I've been DJing in nightclubs for 20 years. Please take my word for it that I know what I'm talking about here. This isn't a one-off.
  - l33tbro 10y ago
    Well I'm also musician and DJ with about 20 years producing, and 15 years experience performing. I think if you were playing super-minimal, atonal techno or house then for sure - but for genres involving more elements and instrumentation, I just don't see it.

by louthy 10y ago

dharma1 10y ago

Nice track (Gol). I agree, in a stripped down setting the characteristics are more exposed, and digital synths can get boring quick. DCO - I like them too, I just have enough of them already (MKS-70, MKS-50, JX-3P, Cheetah MS6). Might pick up the new Behringer 12 poly DCO if it's good, but that'll be enough DCO for me. Still plenty of room for VCO synths though, I've got 6-7 VCO mono synths but they are all small or racked and sound very different :)

louthy 10y ago
Behringer's name is mud in audio circles. You sure you want to go there?
- dharma1 10y ago
  I'm not really a brand snob - whatever sounds good. They got a bad name for ripping off circuit designs, but there is some Behringer gear that does the job. The deepmind 12 is designed by ex-Midas/Klark Teknik engineers (Behringer bought them) and Uli has been wanting to release an analog synth for ages - I think it'll be alright, will reserve judgement. It'll probably sound too clean and will end up buying vintage VCO synths instead though :)
  - louthy 10y ago
    Sounds more interesting for sure (I have a Midas Venice F32, and a lot of respect for the Midas engineers). My comment was mostly about Behringer's poor build quality (reputation). Maybe just get a Jupiter 8, it'll save the hassle ;)
    - dharma1 10y ago
      J8 - one day :) For now I've been using this nifty app to join together multiple monophonic VCO synths to make a polyphonic VCO synth - http://polymer-app.com/ http://polymer-app.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMAxqrl6xs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMAxqrl6xs
      - louthy 10y ago
        That's pretty cool!

tomduncalf 10y ago

Ooh, where did you play? Love that track, will have to try and catch you play sometime if you play that sort of thing :)

louthy 10y ago
> Ooh, where did you play? It's a new venue in Dalston called Club Makossa for the Dr Blacks night; near Dalston Superstore and the now defunct Dance Tunnel. > will have to try and catch you play sometime if you play that sort of thing I play a range of stuff, but yeah that's fairly typical for when I play out. I don't know when I'll be playing in London again, but will probs be back playing for Dr Blacks again in february. I have some stuff on my Soundcloud page that might be of interest: The last time I played at Fabric they asked me to do a mix for their blog to promo it. This starts off quite housey, but ends up in a similar area to the Donatto Dozzy sound: https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-fabric-mix-march-2011 https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-fabric-mix-march... A bit tougher, this is a live one from a festival in Austria : https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-live-at-sonnenpark https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-live-at-sonnenpa... On a more techno level, check out me and my friend DJing back-to-back for 4 hours as 'Waterwalk' in Berlin. There's a number of Donnato Dozzy tracks on there, and Peter Van Hoesen - who I consider to be quite similar as a producer (if a bit tougher): https://soundcloud.com/water-walk/waterwalk-live-from-staub-aboutblank-in-berlin-feb-2016 https://soundcloud.com/water-walk/waterwalk-live-from-staub-... This is quite deep dubby techno, a personal favourite: https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-lux https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-lux This is a live show on Ministry of Sound radio. A bit more melodic: https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-live-on-ministry-of-sound-radio-2008 https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-live-on-ministry... There's lots of other mixes on there, but those should be roughly in the right area if you like the Gol track.
tomduncalf 10y ago
Won't let me reply to you directly, but cool! I shall keep an eye out as I live round that neck of the woods - hadn't even heard of that venue. I'll give your mixes a listen tomorrow, cheers – recognised your name from the 4Four site I used to go on occasionally :)

l33tbro 10y ago

>I notice a marked increase in energy levels of people on a dancefloor when I play tracks that I know are made with analogue synths and drum machines. I'm sorry, but I cannot just let you get away with that. There are so, so many other factors that would "energise" people on a dance-floor than simply whether the source of one or two elements in the track playing are voltage or digital based. While analogue stuff does sound better (in my opinion), this, along with the inherent confirmation bias of such an observation, is utter make-believe.

louthy 10y ago
> I'm sorry, but I cannot just let you get away with that. There are so, so many other factors that would "energise" people on a dance-floor than simply whether the source of one or two elements in the track playing are voltage or digital based. I've been DJing in nightclubs for 20 years. Please take my word for it that I know what I'm talking about here. This isn't a one-off.
- l33tbro 10y ago
  Well I'm also musician and DJ with about 20 years producing, and 15 years experience performing. I think if you were playing super-minimal, atonal techno or house then for sure - but for genres involving more elements and instrumentation, I just don't see it.