I think we're pretty close to agreeing. I would agree, for example, to the statement that it is "unlikely" that the polls were systematically biased, for the re

I think we're pretty close to agreeing. I would agree, for example, to the statement that it is "unlikely" that the polls were systematically biased, for the reasons you've given. If I wanted to, I could of course pick holes in your reasons, but I think to first order you're probably right. However, please recall that the parent comment adopted an almost mocking tone (Seriously? Seriously?), and that's what I wanted to push back against. So: would you agree that the proposition of systematically biased is unlikely, while also agreeing that serious people could harbour doubts about the impartiality of said polls? It would seem to me to be in the interest of everyone (ironically, especially liberals, although it seems they haven't quite gotten the point yet) to seriously investigate these allegations in light of the revelations of Wikileaks, revelations which the mainstream media worked so hard to cover up and discredit.