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I think this is bs. Everyone has their own unique sleep cycle. Different people have different peaks. Again another company running with Agile keyword, keeping
by UK-AL 10y ago
I think this is bs. Everyone has their own unique sleep cycle. Different people have different peaks.
Again another company running with Agile keyword, keeping all the stuff about about control, and removing all the stuff about autonomy.
This basically treating programmers like infants, ignoring the fact there a lot programmers have responsibilities around work like kids. Not everyone is a 22 yo developer.
- chewyfruitloop 10y agoi think your right... sounds like absolute bs brewed in the finest dung pile of clock watching excel pushing loonies. everyone can be autonomous when we tell them they can be, and only then.... I don't start until 9:30 and work until 6... with a bit of flexibility on the end of the day.....people don't care as long as my hours are done
- jacques_chester 10y agoI work for Pivotal. I understand why you could take that interpretation, but it's not the way the place works at all. If I need to leave early, I leave early. If I need to come late, I come late. If I need to go out during the day, I go out during the day. What I can't do during those hours is work.
- UK-AL 10y agoOk, why does the article say if you miss the Scrum meeting at 9:06, your absence will be noted? Will my absence be noted everyday, since I come in at 9:30 everyday?
- jacques_chester 10y agoI don't see where in the article the "absence is noted". I come in late each Friday because of a regular appointment. I tell my colleagues that I will be in late because it seems like the courteous thing to do. We're not a scrum shop. XP with Lean trimmings. Which we constantly tinker with. In the long run, the process is built on co-location and pairing. Of these, we'll take pairing. Which only really works if everyone is present at the same time: if you create and dissolve pairs as the number of engineers fluctuates, then you create a really confusing fan-out/fan-in effect on the work in flight. I worked on a project where were spread across two timezones, which simulated people coming at different times. We'd be 2 pairs, 4 pairs, then 2 pairs. It was a carwreck.
- UK-AL 10y agoDifferent article: http://uk.businessinsider.com/pivotal-906-am-breakfast-meeting-2016-6?r=US&IR=T http://uk.businessinsider.com/pivotal-906-am-breakfast-meeti... "So Pivotal decided to employ both a stick and a carrot. The stick is a mandatory morning meeting at 9 a.m., where your absence will likely be noted. The carrot is the breakfast buffet, "sort of a prize to get in," Mee says."
- jacques_chester 10y agoI don't agree with that characterisation, which gives a Taylorist vibe. I've never noticed anyone marking a roll, punching a card or scanning the room.
- UK-AL 10y agoThat's because it is. Placing meeting at 9 AM is manipulative way of putting social pressure on people to get in at 9am without making it policy.
- jacques_chester 10y agoIn my case it's a very impressive act of manipulation, since I eat breakfast at home before coming in. I guess I don't see it your way. The word "manipulative" implies two things: first, that I am a dupe. And second, that there is a malicious intent to trick people into doing something against their interest. I've been at Pivotal for three years. If the intent is malicious, then it's been executed with such universal and flawless attention to detail across every manager and director I've dealt with that I am simply unable to distinguish it from honesty. Given that it's indistinguishable, I'm just going to pretend I work for and with honest people, no matter how perfect their conspiracy to be nice to me might be.