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I'd like to propose a different option, one that would actually solve a lot of the current problems in the USA ... before posting a response, please read the 'w
by danjayh 10y ago
I'd like to propose a different option, one that would actually solve a lot of the current problems in the USA ... before posting a response, please read the 'why' section below.
- The government stops guaranteeing student debt to banks
- Students are allowed to declare bankruptcy and discharge their debt after N number of years, if they can prove that they're financially unable to pay & the market will not bear a salary high enough to service their debt for someone with their degree
- (optionally) The government stops subsidizing student loan interest
Why?
- If banks are liable to lose the capital in the loan, they will have incentive to make sure that the money is being spent wisely. This does mean that they'll no longer give out $100k for a hypothetical finger painting degree.
- It's a societal norm that debt can be discharged in bankruptcy if a person has no assets and no income, and student loans shouldn't be straight-up exception. We have to tighten this up a little bit to make sure people don't go to college, default, and then reap all the benefits ... but disallowing bankruptcy entirely seems extreme. Optionally, we could also consider revoking their degree if they default (rough equivalent of repossession of a physical good).
- College is extremely expensive right now because a flood of guaranteed, subsidize money has created fairly inelastic demand -- many students have little price sensitivity. This drives prices up. If loans are harder to get, smaller, and not subsidized, college prices come down.
The big problem with the American system right now is that we've written the educational institutions a blank check. If suddenly we put even a little economic pressure on the system, costs will come down.
Many of these changes couldn't be made retroactive -- loans were given out under a set of conditions agreed upon by all parties, and these determined the amount of the loans, so they shouldn't be changed. These changes could, however, improve things for future generations.
One last note -- as someone who spent 5 years paying off $100k in student loans, and who now makes enough money that I'd be excluded from the 'free' (AKA 'paid by everyone else') tuition plans for my own kids, I do admit that I'm not real excited about that idea. I would be pretty ticked off if I had to pay for my own tuition, my children's tuition, and also everyone else's kids tuition.
- avar 10y agoHaving a system where you revoke the degree for lack of payment would just create a system where revoked degrees would be equally valuable, since everyone would know they were the same, except for some bank being ripped off.
- aianus 10y agoBut you wouldn't be able to distinguish between "revoked degree" and "lied about a degree" so you would assume the latter.
- kesselvon 10y agoYou'd need documentation to revoke a degree, hence proof you got one beforehand. You can't repossess knowledge.
- aianus 10y agoThat's not how it works. The universities have a software system [1] that employers can (and do) check to verify the degree. All they have to do is return "Not a Valid Degree-Holder", just like criminal background checks will return nothing for convictions that have since been pardoned. [1] https://www.auradata.com/Default.aspx https://www.auradata.com/Default.aspx
- kesselvon 10y agoYou get a printed degree and documentation of attending university when you graduate. All you would have to do is present those and you're as good as having a 'valid degree'. I don't think you understand how easy it would be to bypass this system, since the actual degree isn't the value, its the knowledge and experience that you gain on the campus. This is akin to repossessing the keys to a car instead of the vehicle itself.
- ryuker16 10y agothat would be abused by folks who paid $200 to a diploma mill.