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equal parts administrator and the state, since as I understand it the tuition hikes track funding cuts at the government level for higher ed. that is the real k

by munin 10y ago

equal parts administrator and the state, since as I understand it the tuition hikes track funding cuts at the government level for higher ed. that is the real killer. so, do the taxpayers see the money as reduced sales and property tax?

0xB31B1B 10y ago
Wishful thinking. Unfortunately, cost savings like this at a state level rarely translate into reduced taxes or greater services, nowadays they get allocated into payouts for the states underfunded pensions.
cnnsucks 10y ago
>> since as I understand it the tuition hikes track funding cuts at the government level for higher ed. that is the real killer. No, that isn't the real killer. That's the educrat line you've been trained to regurgitate. The truth is that higher-ed is getting about the same percent GDP it's been getting since the 70's [1]. The "real killer" is the annual 3.5% above inflation tuition increases [2] that are inflicted to fund an ever growing amount of staff and their gold plated benefits. >> do the taxpayers see the money as reduced sales and property tax? Are you kidding? Where is the place where taxpayers are liv'n la Vida Loca in their property tax free la-la land? We're paying out the ass. Some RINO manages to cut a half a percent or maybe just not increase taxes as fast and they shout it from the roof tops; HUGE TAX CUT. OMGWTFBBQ I SAVED YOU 1.003% VOTE FOR MEEE! Please kid; stop drinking the educrat kool-aid. The only redeeming feature of this crazy ass education bubble is that it isn't growing as fast as the crazy ass health care bubble. [1] http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_spending http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_spending [2] https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-rates-growth-published-charges-decade https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tabl...
- whyenot 10y ago
  > The truth is that higher-ed is getting about the same percent GDP it's been getting since the 70's Isn't it true that many more students attend college than was the case in the 1970's? For example, between 2003 and 2013 enrollment increased 20%[1]. US population only increased about 10%. > inflicted to fund an ever growing amount of staff and their gold plated benefits Do you have any data to back this up? This has not been my experience in California's State University system. The benefits are ok, comparable to industry, but the pay is awful. 1. http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98 http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98
- mark_edward 10y ago
  Those universities in the seventies served far fewer students. In case you haven't noticed enrollment is up as a proportion of the population. Funding as a portion of GDP should've matched it as well.
aidenn0 10y ago
The per-student funding has gone way down as enrollment is way up. In total the funding has gone down less or not at all.

by munin 10y ago

0xB31B1B 10y ago

Wishful thinking. Unfortunately, cost savings like this at a state level rarely translate into reduced taxes or greater services, nowadays they get allocated into payouts for the states underfunded pensions.

cnnsucks 10y ago

>> since as I understand it the tuition hikes track funding cuts at the government level for higher ed. that is the real killer. No, that isn't the real killer. That's the educrat line you've been trained to regurgitate. The truth is that higher-ed is getting about the same percent GDP it's been getting since the 70's [1]. The "real killer" is the annual 3.5% above inflation tuition increases [2] that are inflicted to fund an ever growing amount of staff and their gold plated benefits. >> do the taxpayers see the money as reduced sales and property tax? Are you kidding? Where is the place where taxpayers are liv'n la Vida Loca in their property tax free la-la land? We're paying out the ass. Some RINO manages to cut a half a percent or maybe just not increase taxes as fast and they shout it from the roof tops; HUGE TAX CUT. OMGWTFBBQ I SAVED YOU 1.003% VOTE FOR MEEE! Please kid; stop drinking the educrat kool-aid. The only redeeming feature of this crazy ass education bubble is that it isn't growing as fast as the crazy ass health care bubble. [1] http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_spending http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_spending [2] https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-rates-growth-published-charges-decade https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tabl...

whyenot 10y ago
> The truth is that higher-ed is getting about the same percent GDP it's been getting since the 70's Isn't it true that many more students attend college than was the case in the 1970's? For example, between 2003 and 2013 enrollment increased 20%[1]. US population only increased about 10%. > inflicted to fund an ever growing amount of staff and their gold plated benefits Do you have any data to back this up? This has not been my experience in California's State University system. The benefits are ok, comparable to industry, but the pay is awful. 1. http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98 http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98
mark_edward 10y ago
Those universities in the seventies served far fewer students. In case you haven't noticed enrollment is up as a proportion of the population. Funding as a portion of GDP should've matched it as well.

aidenn0 10y ago

The per-student funding has gone way down as enrollment is way up. In total the funding has gone down less or not at all.