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The "left"* keeps blaming "fake news" en masse for supposedly influencing the election in a way they didn't like, but they willingly ignore the broad trend of u

by srslack 10y ago

The "left"* keeps blaming "fake news" en masse for supposedly influencing the election in a way they didn't like, but they willingly ignore the broad trend of using and undermining the credibility of the news industry as a whole to publish propaganda. Clinton's "pied piper" strategy, along with super PACs like American Bridge who railed hard against any reasonably alternative establishment candidate like Bush, backfired spectacularly. I suppose it's more comfortable to blame "fake news" than to acknowledge that Clinton outspent Trump something like 10 to 1, ignored voters in states all their models believed were a "firewall", only nominated because of a general behavior among the party of 'anointing' instead of debate, and had almost every advantage and connection at their disposal. All things considered, they lost where it mattered, and blaming 'fake news' or 'James Comey' can't change that fact. On the bright side: it gives them a convenient excuse to ban anyone they don't like while leaving large swathes of "leftist" vitriol to populate their echo chamber. *I can't even call these people liberals.

Upvoter33 10y ago
yeah, the banning of people is just of those the "left" doesn't like, not because of deeply offensive and racist comments by those getting banned. give me a break.
- srslack 10y ago
  >deeply offensive Grow up. You're not special because you were personally offended, or offended for someone else. >racist comments There may be something here, anecdotally, but that term has been used so much by the "Sickle Brigade" that the accusation has ceased to have any sort of impact to me online. Oversensitive, repugnant people use their brand of social justice to abuse identity politics and shit all over discourse themselves. Everything stems from racism according to these privileged liberal arts majors. I only need to point to the story on HN the other day about all of the progressive blogs that repeated incessantly that Trump is "openly racist" to make my point. http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wo... https://www.abqjournal.com/888311/protest-helped-to-create-president-trump.html https://www.abqjournal.com/888311/protest-helped-to-create-p... Those sort of people make it really hard for me to call myself a liberal. And after all, it's only fair that they start banning vitriol from the sickle brigade as well.
JohnTHaller 10y ago
This is best summed up as "Why not both?" In addition to the huge failings by both the Clinton campaign and the DNC - some of which you mention, but you're only scratching the surface - there's quite a lot going on. Anecdotally on the fake news front, I have a bunch of folks I grew up with in CT that swore that Hillary was indicted. Mainly due to folks sharing false stories on Facebook. False stories that are shared on Facebook 4:1 by the "right" over the "left". And that was after having to deal with friends on the "left" sharing BS from BlueNationReview and the like in the primaries. Couple that with things like "Trumpbart" as my conservative friends call it being shared on Facebook at the same rate as CNN. Fake/biased news is an issue all the way around regardless of your political viewpoint. And that's before you count in the "Comey" effect. Or the Russian DNC hack. Or whatever else. All that in addition to the failings of the HRC campaign and the DNC itself was the perfect storm that resulted in Trump's win.

by srslack 10y ago

Upvoter33 10y ago

yeah, the banning of people is just of those the "left" doesn't like, not because of deeply offensive and racist comments by those getting banned. give me a break.

srslack 10y ago
>deeply offensive Grow up. You're not special because you were personally offended, or offended for someone else. >racist comments There may be something here, anecdotally, but that term has been used so much by the "Sickle Brigade" that the accusation has ceased to have any sort of impact to me online. Oversensitive, repugnant people use their brand of social justice to abuse identity politics and shit all over discourse themselves. Everything stems from racism according to these privileged liberal arts majors. I only need to point to the story on HN the other day about all of the progressive blogs that repeated incessantly that Trump is "openly racist" to make my point. http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wo... https://www.abqjournal.com/888311/protest-helped-to-create-president-trump.html https://www.abqjournal.com/888311/protest-helped-to-create-p... Those sort of people make it really hard for me to call myself a liberal. And after all, it's only fair that they start banning vitriol from the sickle brigade as well.

JohnTHaller 10y ago

This is best summed up as "Why not both?" In addition to the huge failings by both the Clinton campaign and the DNC - some of which you mention, but you're only scratching the surface - there's quite a lot going on. Anecdotally on the fake news front, I have a bunch of folks I grew up with in CT that swore that Hillary was indicted. Mainly due to folks sharing false stories on Facebook. False stories that are shared on Facebook 4:1 by the "right" over the "left". And that was after having to deal with friends on the "left" sharing BS from BlueNationReview and the like in the primaries. Couple that with things like "Trumpbart" as my conservative friends call it being shared on Facebook at the same rate as CNN. Fake/biased news is an issue all the way around regardless of your political viewpoint. And that's before you count in the "Comey" effect. Or the Russian DNC hack. Or whatever else. All that in addition to the failings of the HRC campaign and the DNC itself was the perfect storm that resulted in Trump's win.