To borrow a line: Software Engineering would be a very good idea. Every time I talk to "real" engineers about what goes on in computing, they're completely dum

To borrow a line: Software Engineering would be a very good idea. Every time I talk to "real" engineers about what goes on in computing, they're completely dumbfounded. Nobody has ultimate responsibility for signing off on a design? Changes get made without any independent analysis, or without any analysis at all beyond "well it seems to work"? When something fails, people routinely shrug their shoulders and move on without performing any post-mortem?