"And this is the major reason why our politics suck IMO. We have one side of the table that is 100% more government because government is awesome, one side that

"And this is the major reason why our politics suck IMO. We have one side of the table that is 100% more government because government is awesome, one side that is 100% less government because government sucks, and nobody is arguing that we should be making government more efficient. And so we never get nice things. " Well, that'll continue happening as long as you force it to be one giant pie. If you let people choose in the first place, then you can have your nice things. You just have to pay for them yourself along with those individuals that agree with your viewpoint. And the rest of us will have to choose to either join you, or do it some other way. All arguments eventually lead to choice. Freedom and consent are fundamental properties of a libertarian belief system. We don't get to throw those out just because it'll be efficient. You could argue that it's efficient to just execute all repeat-criminals, but we don't do that because of fundamental human rights that are completely separate to the concept of pragmatism and efficiency.