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About the only thing Calacanis got right is that resigning by e-mail is a chump way to quit. I love how he thinks the company is owed 3 years of your service.

About the only thing Calacanis got right is that resigning by e-mail is a chump way to quit. I love how he thinks the company is owed 3 years of your service. I mean really?

tptacek 17y ago
Resigning by email is not a "chump way to quit". It's a very final and low-drama way to quit (if you are friendly and upbeat in your mail, which you always should be). Every employer, myself very much included, would be very happy to get personal, private, advance notice that you're thinking of leaving. If you want to do us a favor, do that. Give us a private heads-up. But you don't owe it to us.
- thinkzig 17y ago
  It's a very final and low-drama way to quit Perhaps, but it's also a cowardly and unprofessional way to quit. Every job I have ever left I have had the decency to sit down in person and explain to my boss that I was leaving and the reasons for my departure. My feeling is that if this person was respectful enough of my capabilities to give me a job that allowed me to provide for myself and my family, the very least I could do as a common courtesy and sign of respect would be to sit down with them and explain why I have decided to leave. Put another way: would you consider your boss firing you via email a "chump way to fire an employee"? It's simply a matter of giving your superior the same courtesy that you would expect if the roles were reversed.
  - izak30 17y ago
    Presumably an exit interview is standard practice? I've had them at almost every job I've left. I love e-mails, because they set the tone and expectation for what you're going to talk about. I had a friend who thought he was getting a pay cut Friday (like everybody else, who got theirs Thursday, but he was working from home) and he was let go without notice.
    - tptacek 17y ago
      Except there was no exit interview possible here, because as soon as he gave notice, Calacanis told him to pack his stuff up and get out. I don't feel comfortable calling someone a "coward" in a situation like this.
      - izak30 17y ago
        Agreed.
- slantyyz 17y ago
  By your very logic, it should be fine to release or terminate people by e-mail. I would bet that if the tables were turned, and Calacanis had terminated Evan by e-mail, that Calacanis would be taking even more heat than he is now. Call me old school, but the best to worst order of quitting (and on the flip side, firing) is this - face to face, telephone, e-mail only if it's impossible to arrange the first or second.
  - tptacek 17y ago
    Though people do clearly get fired by email, I personally think employers have a greater obligation to be courteous about firing than employees do about quitting. People have given me notice via email before, and I think no worse of them for it.
    - slantyyz 17y ago
      Why should the obligation be any greater? Economically, they're paying employees fair value for some specified output. There should be an equal expectation of professionalism on both sides.
      - tptacek 17y ago
        Because you have multiple employees, most of whom only have one job, and who, unlike the employer, depend on the relationship for their livelihood. I'm not sure I'd use the word "professionalism" to describe this obligation. People have given me notice via email before, and I don't think they were unprofessional for it.
        slantyyz 17y ago
        Professionalism isn't like pregnancy, it's not a binary state. I would categorize a person who resigns by email as an act that's below average on the scale of professionalism. I mean seriously, how hard is it to present your resignation letter in person or by telephone? In any case, let's agree to disagree, since everyone has different standards.
jsz0 17y ago
Resigning by e-mail is fantastic if your boss happens to be abusive, manipulative, or otherwise you feel like a face-to-face encounter is going to escalate in the wrong direction.
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- slantyyz 17y ago
  Resigning in person is even better if your boss happens to be abusive, manipulative, or otherwise you feel like a face-to-face encounter is going to escalate in the wrong direction. I've done it, and boy does it feel great to put a jackass in his or her place.
  - blasdel 17y ago
    In this instance, it looks like it was far more enjoyable to have it documented so that everyone can publicly put a jackass in his place.
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About the only thing Calacanis got right is that resigning by e-mail is a chump way to quit. I love how he thinks the company is owed 3 years of your service. I mean really?

tptacek 17y ago

Resigning by email is not a "chump way to quit". It's a very final and low-drama way to quit (if you are friendly and upbeat in your mail, which you always should be). Every employer, myself very much included, would be very happy to get personal, private, advance notice that you're thinking of leaving. If you want to do us a favor, do that. Give us a private heads-up. But you don't owe it to us.

thinkzig 17y ago
It's a very final and low-drama way to quit Perhaps, but it's also a cowardly and unprofessional way to quit. Every job I have ever left I have had the decency to sit down in person and explain to my boss that I was leaving and the reasons for my departure. My feeling is that if this person was respectful enough of my capabilities to give me a job that allowed me to provide for myself and my family, the very least I could do as a common courtesy and sign of respect would be to sit down with them and explain why I have decided to leave. Put another way: would you consider your boss firing you via email a "chump way to fire an employee"? It's simply a matter of giving your superior the same courtesy that you would expect if the roles were reversed.
- izak30 17y ago
  Presumably an exit interview is standard practice? I've had them at almost every job I've left. I love e-mails, because they set the tone and expectation for what you're going to talk about. I had a friend who thought he was getting a pay cut Friday (like everybody else, who got theirs Thursday, but he was working from home) and he was let go without notice.
  - tptacek 17y ago
    Except there was no exit interview possible here, because as soon as he gave notice, Calacanis told him to pack his stuff up and get out. I don't feel comfortable calling someone a "coward" in a situation like this.
    - izak30 17y ago
      Agreed.
slantyyz 17y ago
By your very logic, it should be fine to release or terminate people by e-mail. I would bet that if the tables were turned, and Calacanis had terminated Evan by e-mail, that Calacanis would be taking even more heat than he is now. Call me old school, but the best to worst order of quitting (and on the flip side, firing) is this - face to face, telephone, e-mail only if it's impossible to arrange the first or second.
- tptacek 17y ago
  Though people do clearly get fired by email, I personally think employers have a greater obligation to be courteous about firing than employees do about quitting. People have given me notice via email before, and I think no worse of them for it.
  - slantyyz 17y ago
    Why should the obligation be any greater? Economically, they're paying employees fair value for some specified output. There should be an equal expectation of professionalism on both sides.
    - tptacek 17y ago
      Because you have multiple employees, most of whom only have one job, and who, unlike the employer, depend on the relationship for their livelihood. I'm not sure I'd use the word "professionalism" to describe this obligation. People have given me notice via email before, and I don't think they were unprofessional for it.
      - slantyyz 17y ago
        Professionalism isn't like pregnancy, it's not a binary state. I would categorize a person who resigns by email as an act that's below average on the scale of professionalism. I mean seriously, how hard is it to present your resignation letter in person or by telephone? In any case, let's agree to disagree, since everyone has different standards.

jsz0 17y ago

Resigning by e-mail is fantastic if your boss happens to be abusive, manipulative, or otherwise you feel like a face-to-face encounter is going to escalate in the wrong direction.

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slantyyz 17y ago
Resigning in person is even better if your boss happens to be abusive, manipulative, or otherwise you feel like a face-to-face encounter is going to escalate in the wrong direction. I've done it, and boy does it feel great to put a jackass in his or her place.
- blasdel 17y ago
  In this instance, it looks like it was far more enjoyable to have it documented so that everyone can publicly put a jackass in his place.

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