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There is no such duty to hire non-foreign-nationals. I do however have duty to my company to make the best hiring decisions, so I'm not going to pass on a perfe

by romanhn 10y ago

There is no such duty to hire non-foreign-nationals. I do however have duty to my company to make the best hiring decisions, so I'm not going to pass on a perfectly qualified candidate with an H1B and cross my fingers that I'll find a similarly qualified candidate who also happens to be a citizen soon. The opportunity cost can be quite dramatic. We pay H1Bs the same as anyone else, so technically they end up costing more - sometimes this offsets said opportunity cost, often it does not. I also don't hire for "American" jobs. They are just jobs and if you can do it, I don't care about your race, ethnicity, origin, preference of Star Trek to Star Wars, etc. On a macro level, I believe there's more value to the US with the foreign nationals bringing their labor and keeping its products here rather than competing with US companies from overseas. Let's not forget that these foreign nationals pay taxes and spend money in the US as well.

sgrove 10y ago
Hear hear! I want to work with really good people that I like, communicated well with, and are excited about what they're doing (among other attributes as well). It's fairly rare that I come across someone with all of those qualities, but when I do, I don't care about nationality, etc. H1Bs (and O-visas, etc.) tend to be more expensive than otherwise just hiring someone local. I'm not looking for someone cheap, as other commenters have infuriatingly speculated. In fact, I actually think that's a very dangerous path to go down, as you'll either find 1. Someone who isn't very good (or else they wouldn't work for sub-market rates) 2. Someone who is very good, but doesn't know their value - in which case, you'll lose out on your investment once they find you've been screwing them over. I also don't understand why - if I like someone enough - I can't just hire them to come work in the US, regardless of national origin, assuming I pay enough. I suppose there's a danger of pay-for-play there, but I can't believe the trouble I've had working with amazingly talented people because they didn't have a recognized masters degree. Finally, `exercise your duty to your own country` is an inherently suspect phrase that makes me suspicious about the thought process behind that lead up to it.
- KnowNothings 10y ago
  If you are an American based company you should only be hiring American Citizens.
  - romanhn 10y ago
    Stop trolling. You have ignored the arguments provided in this thread and have produced zero arguments of your own. This could have been an interesting discussion, but instead the thread has been rightfully flagged.
    - KnowNothings 10y ago
      All because I don't circle jerk the H1B program and support leftist logic does not mean I'm trolling.
      - SolaceQuantum 10y ago
        So I'm curious here cause I'm not quite certain. What is lefist logic in this instance? Also, are there any objective metrics that align with the idea that American companies should only hire American citizens? For example, are such companies more profitable, efficient, or politically powerful?
        bobosha 10y ago
        Also it's important to point out many american companies have significant portions of their revenues ex-US. e.g. GE/GM/Cisco etc have 60-70% of revenues from outside the US.

by romanhn 10y ago

sgrove 10y ago

Hear hear! I want to work with really good people that I like, communicated well with, and are excited about what they're doing (among other attributes as well). It's fairly rare that I come across someone with all of those qualities, but when I do, I don't care about nationality, etc. H1Bs (and O-visas, etc.) tend to be more expensive than otherwise just hiring someone local. I'm not looking for someone cheap, as other commenters have infuriatingly speculated. In fact, I actually think that's a very dangerous path to go down, as you'll either find 1. Someone who isn't very good (or else they wouldn't work for sub-market rates) 2. Someone who is very good, but doesn't know their value - in which case, you'll lose out on your investment once they find you've been screwing them over. I also don't understand why - if I like someone enough - I can't just hire them to come work in the US, regardless of national origin, assuming I pay enough. I suppose there's a danger of pay-for-play there, but I can't believe the trouble I've had working with amazingly talented people because they didn't have a recognized masters degree. Finally, `exercise your duty to your own country` is an inherently suspect phrase that makes me suspicious about the thought process behind that lead up to it.

KnowNothings 10y ago
If you are an American based company you should only be hiring American Citizens.
- romanhn 10y ago
  Stop trolling. You have ignored the arguments provided in this thread and have produced zero arguments of your own. This could have been an interesting discussion, but instead the thread has been rightfully flagged.
  - KnowNothings 10y ago
    All because I don't circle jerk the H1B program and support leftist logic does not mean I'm trolling.
    - SolaceQuantum 10y ago
      So I'm curious here cause I'm not quite certain. What is lefist logic in this instance? Also, are there any objective metrics that align with the idea that American companies should only hire American citizens? For example, are such companies more profitable, efficient, or politically powerful?
      - bobosha 10y ago
        Also it's important to point out many american companies have significant portions of their revenues ex-US. e.g. GE/GM/Cisco etc have 60-70% of revenues from outside the US.