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What I find interesting in this PRO debate is that most +16GB users don't even use Apple, but brands like Dell, HP, Siemens and others. Apple is not stupid. Th

by pasta 10y ago

What I find interesting in this PRO debate is that most +16GB users don't even use Apple, but brands like Dell, HP, Siemens and others. Apple is not stupid. They know the market. And imho the anger here on HN is mostly HN bias.

PuffinBlue 10y ago
Not sure I agree with you. I'm here because I'm moving into the tech world but I'm coming from a background in photography. Nearly all my friends in that world (me included) use topped out MacBooks for portable stuff and the video folks are using Mac Pros or hackintosh's. They certainly need more RAM, I know at least two guys who would have killed for 64GB RAM in a Macbook for their 4k video work. And I could certainly use it to speed up batch operations of hundreds of images, or even to be able to basically use the laptop when pushing around several 24mp RAW images in photoshop or even use a single RAW edit on a 42mp file from a Sony A7r2 which utterly killed my current MacBook with 8GB RAM. I see loads of retorts like 'just use a desktop for the heavy lifting stuff' but that's so ignorant of the requirements on some markets. Needing to edit on the go is essential for many creators, especially for location shoots, and not even particularly complex ones, so power in a portable package is absolutely essential to folks well outside the 'developer' or tech world. No one I know is thinking about getting the new MacBook. Some are hoping for next years update but others who are running older models and need an upgrade now are now casting around for alternatives. They may know their market, but their market might not be what we think it is. It may be their market is moving to be like their phone market with a significant portion buying the brand jewellery Apple carries. So I guess I'm saying that there is a large segment of media creators (who are often suckers like me for the styling of the Apple laptops) who are now not seemingly part of Apple target market, and that might be bad for the wider Apple brand. I'm not particularly beholden to any manufacturer and nor are most of my friends. They go where they need to to get the kit that lets them do their job. There's an elastic period where a few issues can be overlooked but for me and others coming from this creation world the limit has been reached.
- pasta 10y ago
  But didn't the video world already switch to Dell over two years ago because Apple could not keep up with high res video editing? I might be totaly wrong, but I think the real pro world doesn't look for a nice looking tool but for one that does the job. That's why I think +16GB users already use other brands.

by pasta 10y ago

PuffinBlue 10y ago

Not sure I agree with you. I'm here because I'm moving into the tech world but I'm coming from a background in photography. Nearly all my friends in that world (me included) use topped out MacBooks for portable stuff and the video folks are using Mac Pros or hackintosh's. They certainly need more RAM, I know at least two guys who would have killed for 64GB RAM in a Macbook for their 4k video work. And I could certainly use it to speed up batch operations of hundreds of images, or even to be able to basically use the laptop when pushing around several 24mp RAW images in photoshop or even use a single RAW edit on a 42mp file from a Sony A7r2 which utterly killed my current MacBook with 8GB RAM. I see loads of retorts like 'just use a desktop for the heavy lifting stuff' but that's so ignorant of the requirements on some markets. Needing to edit on the go is essential for many creators, especially for location shoots, and not even particularly complex ones, so power in a portable package is absolutely essential to folks well outside the 'developer' or tech world. No one I know is thinking about getting the new MacBook. Some are hoping for next years update but others who are running older models and need an upgrade now are now casting around for alternatives. They may know their market, but their market might not be what we think it is. It may be their market is moving to be like their phone market with a significant portion buying the brand jewellery Apple carries. So I guess I'm saying that there is a large segment of media creators (who are often suckers like me for the styling of the Apple laptops) who are now not seemingly part of Apple target market, and that might be bad for the wider Apple brand. I'm not particularly beholden to any manufacturer and nor are most of my friends. They go where they need to to get the kit that lets them do their job. There's an elastic period where a few issues can be overlooked but for me and others coming from this creation world the limit has been reached.

pasta 10y ago
But didn't the video world already switch to Dell over two years ago because Apple could not keep up with high res video editing? I might be totaly wrong, but I think the real pro world doesn't look for a nice looking tool but for one that does the job. That's why I think +16GB users already use other brands.