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The world is on the verge of disastrous climate change. This fact is well established. Why exactly are we supposed to rejoice at the news of more fossil fuel re

The world is on the verge of disastrous climate change. This fact is well established. Why exactly are we supposed to rejoice at the news of more fossil fuel reserves?

clackanon 10y ago
You believe in popular AGW theory. Not everyone does. Not everyone takes it as fact that global warming is what folks say it is. There's enough spin and inconsistency in the scientific community that not even they agree on it. Let's assume for sake of discussion that warming is happening. Okay. I'll do my best to live responsibly. Am I going to buy in to all the Chicken Little melodrama? Nope. Also, I thinking there's enough good momentum towards use of alt energy resources, that we're going the right direction.
- yread 10y ago
  You made a comment on HACKER news to "discuss" how scientific community doesn't agree on AGW?
  - madaxe_again 10y ago
    This is hacker news. Here, climate change is a conspiracy theory, automation will never destroy any jobs or require any change in how we live, and unregulated capitalism is the solution to everything. Oh, and we're pretty stoked about our new NRX, oh, sorry, alt-right president! What, you thought this community was better? That smart people are smart? Sorry - smart people are stupid too - their mistakes are just bigger. Who do you think designed the nazi war machine, idiots? Was Speer a dullard? No. intelligent people believe just as much stupid crap as the next man. They choose to ignore their education in favour of emotion. Yarr, down she goes. Creatures which dwell under rocks dislike the light.
- goodcanadian 10y ago
  There's enough spin and inconsistency in the scientific community that not even they agree on it. The scientific consensus is that global warming is real. Climate change is happening now. The debate is about the details: how much warming there will be, how fast, and what the effects will be. This is a normal part of science, and how it's supposed to work. Regardless of the details, at this point, it is pretty clear by now that we are screwed even if we aren't quite sure how badly. As far as I can tell, the only spin comes from idiot politicians invested in the status quo.
briandear 10y ago
We've been on the verge of something since the beginning of time. In the meantime society has to function and society runs on oil.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  We have viable alternatives to running on oil and there are people actively pushing to switch the society to other energy sources. It can be done, it has to be done if we want our grandchildren to have a livable conditions on this planet. The thing we need is for people to stop countering the change out of their short-term interest in lining their own pockets.
  - emp_zealoth 10y ago
    There are no viable alternatives to oil apart from coal and nuclear, sorry Not until we have an order-of-magnitude breakthrough in battery tech or some new form of storage Germany raised it's electricity price almost 3 times since it started it's riddiculous renewable energy bs and they still are only ~25% renewables (And they offshored their heavy, energy intensive industry that just packed up and moved to China, to happily pollute even more than before)
    - TeMPOraL 10y ago
      > nuclear There you have it. This is a viable alternative that's safe, and green. Germany did exactly the wrong thing IMO. They should've expanded their nuclear capacity instead of shutting off perfectly good plans and starting to pollute the world (proxying through China, as you say).
- Retric 10y ago
  Oil is a finite resource, this does not mean we will suddenly use it all up. Instead the cost of extraction will continue to rise until alternatives displace oil. Getting ahead of that transistion has a lot of value just look at companies like Kodak who missed shifts like these.
dublinclontarf 10y ago
I was under the impression that we were well past the point of no return regarding climate change.
- joelthelion 10y ago
  Are you implying that our actions make no difference? There are vital differences between +2°C and a +8°C global warming.
mzw_mzw 10y ago
The rejoicing one tends to hear around this place is from the apocalypse mongers, gleefully trading stories about how global warming will kill us all in exactly the same tones as fundamentalist Christians in the 1980s spinning lurid tales about the sinners being tortured in Hell. Seriously, the parallels are uncanny.

The world is on the verge of disastrous climate change. This fact is well established. Why exactly are we supposed to rejoice at the news of more fossil fuel reserves?

clackanon 10y ago

You believe in popular AGW theory. Not everyone does. Not everyone takes it as fact that global warming is what folks say it is. There's enough spin and inconsistency in the scientific community that not even they agree on it. Let's assume for sake of discussion that warming is happening. Okay. I'll do my best to live responsibly. Am I going to buy in to all the Chicken Little melodrama? Nope. Also, I thinking there's enough good momentum towards use of alt energy resources, that we're going the right direction.

yread 10y ago
You made a comment on HACKER news to "discuss" how scientific community doesn't agree on AGW?
- madaxe_again 10y ago
  This is hacker news. Here, climate change is a conspiracy theory, automation will never destroy any jobs or require any change in how we live, and unregulated capitalism is the solution to everything. Oh, and we're pretty stoked about our new NRX, oh, sorry, alt-right president! What, you thought this community was better? That smart people are smart? Sorry - smart people are stupid too - their mistakes are just bigger. Who do you think designed the nazi war machine, idiots? Was Speer a dullard? No. intelligent people believe just as much stupid crap as the next man. They choose to ignore their education in favour of emotion. Yarr, down she goes. Creatures which dwell under rocks dislike the light.
goodcanadian 10y ago
There's enough spin and inconsistency in the scientific community that not even they agree on it. The scientific consensus is that global warming is real. Climate change is happening now. The debate is about the details: how much warming there will be, how fast, and what the effects will be. This is a normal part of science, and how it's supposed to work. Regardless of the details, at this point, it is pretty clear by now that we are screwed even if we aren't quite sure how badly. As far as I can tell, the only spin comes from idiot politicians invested in the status quo.

briandear 10y ago

We've been on the verge of something since the beginning of time. In the meantime society has to function and society runs on oil.

TeMPOraL 10y ago
We have viable alternatives to running on oil and there are people actively pushing to switch the society to other energy sources. It can be done, it has to be done if we want our grandchildren to have a livable conditions on this planet. The thing we need is for people to stop countering the change out of their short-term interest in lining their own pockets.
- emp_zealoth 10y ago
  There are no viable alternatives to oil apart from coal and nuclear, sorry Not until we have an order-of-magnitude breakthrough in battery tech or some new form of storage Germany raised it's electricity price almost 3 times since it started it's riddiculous renewable energy bs and they still are only ~25% renewables (And they offshored their heavy, energy intensive industry that just packed up and moved to China, to happily pollute even more than before)
  - TeMPOraL 10y ago
    > nuclear There you have it. This is a viable alternative that's safe, and green. Germany did exactly the wrong thing IMO. They should've expanded their nuclear capacity instead of shutting off perfectly good plans and starting to pollute the world (proxying through China, as you say).
Retric 10y ago
Oil is a finite resource, this does not mean we will suddenly use it all up. Instead the cost of extraction will continue to rise until alternatives displace oil. Getting ahead of that transistion has a lot of value just look at companies like Kodak who missed shifts like these.

dublinclontarf 10y ago

I was under the impression that we were well past the point of no return regarding climate change.

joelthelion 10y ago
Are you implying that our actions make no difference? There are vital differences between +2°C and a +8°C global warming.

mzw_mzw 10y ago

The rejoicing one tends to hear around this place is from the apocalypse mongers, gleefully trading stories about how global warming will kill us all in exactly the same tones as fundamentalist Christians in the 1980s spinning lurid tales about the sinners being tortured in Hell. Seriously, the parallels are uncanny.