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That's not really the point - other manufactures make laptops that are much more powerful than Apple. The ThinkPad P50 can be configured with a Xeon, 4K display

That's not really the point - other manufactures make laptops that are much more powerful than Apple. The ThinkPad P50 can be configured with a Xeon, 4K display and 64GB RAM for nearly the same price as the base 15" MacBook Pro. Ok maybe it doesn't have all day battery life - but most people, especially people who want "Pro" hardware, probably only need a few hours max. I've had an Air for two years, and I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I've used the full battery - all international flights and trains I've been on have had power sockets, so I can charge on the go. Plus thanks to USB-C, you can use a power bank to charge your laptop if you need more power: http://www.macworld.com/article/3028132/consumer-electronics/best-usb-c-battery-pack-review.html http://www.macworld.com/article/3028132/consumer-electronics... Apple is no longer giving consumers a choice, before there was the MacBook (old one) if you wanted a more-affordable entry level machine, the Air if you needed ok performance but great portability, and the Pro if you wanted performance in a laptop package. Now everything is lumped together with portability as the #1 priority. If Apple had just launched this as a new version of the Air I don't think anyone would be complaining so much.

chrischen 10y ago
Other manufacturers don't make computers as good. If they did, you'd have bought one of theirs by now instead of complaining about Apple's offerings. Part of the reason why they make bad computers is they cave and make design decisions based on what random users ask. Users who potentially have no knowledge or experience in system design. As the famous quote goes, if you ask people what they want, they'd tell you a faster horse.
- lucaspiller 10y ago
  Not sure why people are downvoting you, but yes you are right. That's the reason why so many people are frustrated about this. I don't want a "Dell XPS Pro" I want a Mac. I hope this model is just a stepping stone (apparently even the 13" has thermal support for current gen quad-core CPUs) for something a lot more powerful next year.
  - eropple 10y ago
    I downvoted him because PC manufacturers make really good laptops these days. It's not the days of hollow-body plastic things like the old Dell Studios (my last PC laptop, from about 2008). The world's caught up. I probably would already own a Razer Blade Pro if I wouldn't be embarrassed by that green thing on the lid. Sager makes really solid machines that feel good to use, too, and right now I'm strongly considering a Thinkpad P50. Apple makes kind of above-average computers, and ones that fall down for current-day, up-to-date professional uses. They make a better operating system. The reason people are pissed is because Apple used to do both, and it's rapidly becoming the case that the lousy hardware and high prices aren't balancing out the operating system. If not for already being comfortable, it would probably be more effective for me to switch between Windows and Linux as necessary on PC hardware (both desktop and laptop) than to use OS X anywhere. That's why I'm probably going to have to switch, and that's why I'm kinda mad.
    - chrischen 10y ago
      https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/3ygjbg/estimated_battery_life_of_p50/ https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/3ygjbg/estimated_... Estimated battery life is quite bad for it. This is I'm assuming the base configuration with 16gb ram, so if you jack that up to 32 or 64, battery probably drops significantly more. It's these details of actual use that drive me to apple, as I've tried thick, full of ports, jacked up laptops with touch screens and in practice they almost always never work well.
      - curt15 10y ago
        Apple's 10 hour battery life estimate assumes that you are just browsing the web. If you want to do "pro" activities put the CPU/GPU under any sort of sustained load, the smallness of the battery will become apparent very quickly (see for instance http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/11/review-cheapest-2016-macbook-pro-is-good-but-its-missing-all-the-cool-stuff/4/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/11/review-cheapest-2016-ma...)
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- gurkendoktor 10y ago
  > Other manufacturers don't make computers as good. If they did, you'd have bought one of theirs by now instead of complaining about Apple's offerings. That would be a reasonable conclusion if I could run macOS on these computers. If I could develop iOS apps on a Razer Blade without running a fragile Hackintosh setup, I would have ordered one already. (Plus a sticker to cover up the gross green logo.)

chrischen 10y ago

Other manufacturers don't make computers as good. If they did, you'd have bought one of theirs by now instead of complaining about Apple's offerings. Part of the reason why they make bad computers is they cave and make design decisions based on what random users ask. Users who potentially have no knowledge or experience in system design. As the famous quote goes, if you ask people what they want, they'd tell you a faster horse.

lucaspiller 10y ago
Not sure why people are downvoting you, but yes you are right. That's the reason why so many people are frustrated about this. I don't want a "Dell XPS Pro" I want a Mac. I hope this model is just a stepping stone (apparently even the 13" has thermal support for current gen quad-core CPUs) for something a lot more powerful next year.
- eropple 10y ago
  I downvoted him because PC manufacturers make really good laptops these days. It's not the days of hollow-body plastic things like the old Dell Studios (my last PC laptop, from about 2008). The world's caught up. I probably would already own a Razer Blade Pro if I wouldn't be embarrassed by that green thing on the lid. Sager makes really solid machines that feel good to use, too, and right now I'm strongly considering a Thinkpad P50. Apple makes kind of above-average computers, and ones that fall down for current-day, up-to-date professional uses. They make a better operating system. The reason people are pissed is because Apple used to do both, and it's rapidly becoming the case that the lousy hardware and high prices aren't balancing out the operating system. If not for already being comfortable, it would probably be more effective for me to switch between Windows and Linux as necessary on PC hardware (both desktop and laptop) than to use OS X anywhere. That's why I'm probably going to have to switch, and that's why I'm kinda mad.
  - chrischen 10y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/3ygjbg/estimated_battery_life_of_p50/ https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/3ygjbg/estimated_... Estimated battery life is quite bad for it. This is I'm assuming the base configuration with 16gb ram, so if you jack that up to 32 or 64, battery probably drops significantly more. It's these details of actual use that drive me to apple, as I've tried thick, full of ports, jacked up laptops with touch screens and in practice they almost always never work well.
    - curt15 10y ago
      Apple's 10 hour battery life estimate assumes that you are just browsing the web. If you want to do "pro" activities put the CPU/GPU under any sort of sustained load, the smallness of the battery will become apparent very quickly (see for instance http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/11/review-cheapest-2016-macbook-pro-is-good-but-its-missing-all-the-cool-stuff/4/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/11/review-cheapest-2016-ma...)
- scholia 10y ago
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gurkendoktor 10y ago
> Other manufacturers don't make computers as good. If they did, you'd have bought one of theirs by now instead of complaining about Apple's offerings. That would be a reasonable conclusion if I could run macOS on these computers. If I could develop iOS apps on a Razer Blade without running a fragile Hackintosh setup, I would have ordered one already. (Plus a sticker to cover up the gross green logo.)