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> The claim that the new macbook will have issues with day to day performance is insane. > I run a browser with 20 tabs, linux VM in the background, and webpac

by Yaggo 10y ago

> The claim that the new macbook will have issues with day to day performance is insane. > I run a browser with 20 tabs, linux VM in the background, and webpack and gulp in the background. It's all relative. Please don't judge other people's needs by your needs. I typically have five virtual desktops, each containing a project like yours. Plus five more virtual desktops for other stuff. More than 16 GB ram would be welcome (but thanks to SSD, I can manage with 16 GB pretty well). The article very well explains Apple's rational choice, but it's frustrating (for us, the users) that the industry haven't come up with anything better in half-decade. I guess the line between ram and storage will blur more in the future thanks to super fast SSD techonology, ram becoming just one more level of cache.

sheepmullet 10y ago
I can get away with 16gb most of the time as I can push my workload to the cloud. It's still not as nice as doing it locally and thankfully I'm not the one paying for our cloud compute.
chrischen 10y ago
Exactly, and relatively, more people don't need 32gb of RAM.
- walshemj 10y ago
  so they buy the non PRO version
  - freehunter 10y ago
    So I'm not a pro unless I need 32GB of RAM? That's how we're going to define that term?
    - danudey 10y ago
      You're not a pro unless you need 32 GB of RAM but only 4-5 hours of battery life.
  - encorrupt 10y ago
    ...or you can buy a high-powered desktop, and remote into it from your expensive, super-convenient luxury laptop that has long battery life and doesn't overheat, which you were going to buy as a fashion statement anyway.
    - overcast 10y ago
      Sorry, what's the high-powered mac desktop you're referring to? I would love to buy that one to replace my 2008 Mac Pro.
      - bartvk 10y ago
        The iMac is pretty great, right? Edit: I think you were going for sarcasm.
    - seanp2k2 10y ago
      So now we need 2 computers, a high-speed network which won't work when on the go, and a complex remote configuration to do what another brand's pro laptop could on one machine. Really, what Apple is saying with this is that the MBP is much more a Dell Latitude or XPS15 and not a Precision or a Lenovo P50/70. On the Dell Precision, you can get a few different quad-core xeons, Thunderbolt 3, 64GB ECC DDR4, ISV certified Quadro M5000 GPU w/8GB VRAM, 3x drives (can do 3X 1TB PCIE SSDs), 4K IGZO screen, choice of batteries including 91wh LiPo, smart card reader, and up to 5 years on-site + accidental damage support for what ends up being about 10% more. Base price on the 17" is $1599. The Lenovo P70 is available in similar configurations. HP has the ZBook series which is also "designed to pass 14 MIL-STD 810G tests" and comes with up to 4TB of storage, and starts at $1429: http://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/business-solutions/zbook-17-mobile-workstation-243553--1#!&Tab=features+ http://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/business-solutions/zbook-17-mo... That's what a pro laptop looks like, and Apple no longer sells anything close. Lots of professional software is moving away from macOS because of this. Video production / editing is moving away from Mac due to this. It's sad because Apple used to make real tools for professionals, and now tries to sell them thin-and-lights targeted to rich consumers. Lastly, the keyboard on the newest gen is awful to type on due to having almost zero key travel. It feels like drumming your fingers on a desk. The old 17" had a great keyboard IMO and I'd gladly give up a few more MM of thickness for a better battery and a fantastic keyboard.
pyrophane 10y ago
I almost always here some version of this from the crowd that is really unhappy with the 16GB limit. They seem to be running a lot of VMs. Out of curiosity, what is is you do that necessitates the creation of so many virtual machines?
- Yaggo 10y ago
  I don't actually run many virtual machines. But if you divide 16 gigs for ten desktops => 1.6 GB per project, minus "all desktops" apps, not too much. Modern applications (esp. web apps) tend to be memory hogs. For example, Facebook alone run on Fluid.app easily eats a quarter gig of real mem.
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sheepmullet 10y ago

I can get away with 16gb most of the time as I can push my workload to the cloud. It's still not as nice as doing it locally and thankfully I'm not the one paying for our cloud compute.

chrischen 10y ago

Exactly, and relatively, more people don't need 32gb of RAM.

walshemj 10y ago
so they buy the non PRO version
- freehunter 10y ago
  So I'm not a pro unless I need 32GB of RAM? That's how we're going to define that term?
  - danudey 10y ago
    You're not a pro unless you need 32 GB of RAM but only 4-5 hours of battery life.
- encorrupt 10y ago
  ...or you can buy a high-powered desktop, and remote into it from your expensive, super-convenient luxury laptop that has long battery life and doesn't overheat, which you were going to buy as a fashion statement anyway.
  - overcast 10y ago
    Sorry, what's the high-powered mac desktop you're referring to? I would love to buy that one to replace my 2008 Mac Pro.
    - bartvk 10y ago
      The iMac is pretty great, right? Edit: I think you were going for sarcasm.
  - seanp2k2 10y ago
    So now we need 2 computers, a high-speed network which won't work when on the go, and a complex remote configuration to do what another brand's pro laptop could on one machine. Really, what Apple is saying with this is that the MBP is much more a Dell Latitude or XPS15 and not a Precision or a Lenovo P50/70. On the Dell Precision, you can get a few different quad-core xeons, Thunderbolt 3, 64GB ECC DDR4, ISV certified Quadro M5000 GPU w/8GB VRAM, 3x drives (can do 3X 1TB PCIE SSDs), 4K IGZO screen, choice of batteries including 91wh LiPo, smart card reader, and up to 5 years on-site + accidental damage support for what ends up being about 10% more. Base price on the 17" is $1599. The Lenovo P70 is available in similar configurations. HP has the ZBook series which is also "designed to pass 14 MIL-STD 810G tests" and comes with up to 4TB of storage, and starts at $1429: http://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/business-solutions/zbook-17-mobile-workstation-243553--1#!&Tab=features+ http://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/business-solutions/zbook-17-mo... That's what a pro laptop looks like, and Apple no longer sells anything close. Lots of professional software is moving away from macOS because of this. Video production / editing is moving away from Mac due to this. It's sad because Apple used to make real tools for professionals, and now tries to sell them thin-and-lights targeted to rich consumers. Lastly, the keyboard on the newest gen is awful to type on due to having almost zero key travel. It feels like drumming your fingers on a desk. The old 17" had a great keyboard IMO and I'd gladly give up a few more MM of thickness for a better battery and a fantastic keyboard.

pyrophane 10y ago

I almost always here some version of this from the crowd that is really unhappy with the 16GB limit. They seem to be running a lot of VMs. Out of curiosity, what is is you do that necessitates the creation of so many virtual machines?

Yaggo 10y ago
I don't actually run many virtual machines. But if you divide 16 gigs for ten desktops => 1.6 GB per project, minus "all desktops" apps, not too much. Modern applications (esp. web apps) tend to be memory hogs. For example, Facebook alone run on Fluid.app easily eats a quarter gig of real mem.
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