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> With the NSA, Donald Trump will have access to more information about the demographics of American populations and who comprises them than the Third Reich eve

by aikah 10y ago

> With the NSA, Donald Trump will have access to more information about the demographics of American populations and who comprises them than the Third Reich ever had about its own citizens. Because the NSA was in good hands during Obama right ? No Trump isn't Hitler and the USA aren't going to turn into the Third Reich, it will be no better or worse that the current situation under Obama. The US president doesn't have total power over this country. Stop the insane fear mongering.

legodt 10y ago
No, but this new president is appointing a series of people with white nationalist leanings to a variety of posts within the government that do hold a lot of power. It is perfectly reasonable to be in fear right now. Action is always better, but it takes time to reel from and better understand this new threat to minorities and marginalized groups in the US
- aikah 10y ago
  > with white nationalist leanings Ah the "white nationalist" narrative. I forgot about that one. There no "white nationalist" appointee. But I guess everybody who isn't a progressive is a "white nationalist" now.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    > There no "white nationalist" appointee In fact there are, including Steve Bannon. There also are religiously prejudiced appointees, such as Michael Flynn and Jeff Sessions. IIRC, that's 3 of the 4 appointees announced so far.
    - woofyman 10y ago
      Sessions is a drug warrior and against sentencing reform. He also voted against the don't tell don't ask repeal act of 2010.
      - hackuser 10y ago
        I'm not sure what you mean. If you are adding to what I said, I agree. If you mean that your comment contradicts what I said, that doesn't make sense to me. Also: The war on drugs is to some extent oppression of minorities, who are disproportionately targeted both by law (their vices get serious jail time, others' get treatment; look at the former crack/coke disparity, prescription drug abuse, and the focus on treatment and compassion now that heroin is a rural problem) and by law enforcement and the judiciary, where racial bias is well-established in research. I believe that there is evidence that Nixon explicitly said he was pursuing it for that reason (also to go after people on the left).
  - legodt 10y ago
    Let me clarify. Jeff Sessions and Steve Bannon are capital R Racists. And now they are in positions of power. People are scared because these people are threatening. If you aren't scared, maybe you should talk to the people who are now living in fear rather than staying in your bubble of privilige. This isn't meant to shame you or put you down for being in a position of privilige, but instead encourage you to start looking at things more intersectionality. Quick example, Mike Pence has come forward in favor of conversion therapy, a violent electroshock regiment combined with mental abuse to "convert" gay youth to being straight. It has an 800% increase in suicides among "outpatients." If you are straight, this might not scare you. But, if you don't have that privilege and identify as lgbtq+, you don't have as much as a choice but to be terrified that this man is one heartbeat from the presidency and has been promised by the president to have a large amount of influence in the administration. https://theintercept.com/2016/11/18/career-racist-jeff-sessions-is-donald-trumps-pick-for-attorney-general/ https://theintercept.com/2016/11/18/career-racist-jeff-sessi... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/18/that-time-the-senate-denied-jeff-sessions-a-federal-judgeship-over-accusations-of-racism/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/18/th... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/steve-bannon-white-house-racism-fear https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/steve-bannon... http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/opinions/trump-bannon-ben-ghiat/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/opinions/trump-bannon-ben-ghia... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-trumps-new-chief-strategist-a-racist-critics-say-so/2016/11/14/b72e2ab0-aa9d-11e6-a31b-4b6397e625d0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-trumps-new-chief-...
    - marcoperaza 10y ago
      Show me evidence that Jeff Sessions is racist, or that Mike Pence supports electrocution therapy. These are wild allegations with no factual basis. The "articles" that you link are just opinion pieces that are themselves devoid of real evidence. Please call out in particular what evidence would lead you to make these vicious allegations against these two men.
      - legodt 10y ago
        Okay, here is an addition he made to a bill for providing government funding to help people with HIV/AIDs "Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior." If that doesn't scare you, I'm scared of you. I'm tired of racists pretending to be victims and using the language of the left when they are called out on their bigotry, please stop perpetuating this. Edit from the future: The Southern Poverty Law Center also agrees on this https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/18/jeff-sessions-champion-anti-muslim-and-anti-immigrant-extremists https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/18/jeff-sessions...
unimpressive 10y ago
If you'll notice, everything in that statement was strictly factual. While the Mussolini vibes Trump gives off are moderately concerning, I'm much more concerned that our government is already configured such that you can plop a dictator in the cockpit and they don't have to do any extra work for totalitarian surveillance. Also you're right, the president does not have total power over this country. Which is why it's fortunate for the president elect that he has a cooperating house and senate.

by aikah 10y ago

legodt 10y ago

No, but this new president is appointing a series of people with white nationalist leanings to a variety of posts within the government that do hold a lot of power. It is perfectly reasonable to be in fear right now. Action is always better, but it takes time to reel from and better understand this new threat to minorities and marginalized groups in the US

aikah 10y ago
> with white nationalist leanings Ah the "white nationalist" narrative. I forgot about that one. There no "white nationalist" appointee. But I guess everybody who isn't a progressive is a "white nationalist" now.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > There no "white nationalist" appointee In fact there are, including Steve Bannon. There also are religiously prejudiced appointees, such as Michael Flynn and Jeff Sessions. IIRC, that's 3 of the 4 appointees announced so far.
  - woofyman 10y ago
    Sessions is a drug warrior and against sentencing reform. He also voted against the don't tell don't ask repeal act of 2010.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      I'm not sure what you mean. If you are adding to what I said, I agree. If you mean that your comment contradicts what I said, that doesn't make sense to me. Also: The war on drugs is to some extent oppression of minorities, who are disproportionately targeted both by law (their vices get serious jail time, others' get treatment; look at the former crack/coke disparity, prescription drug abuse, and the focus on treatment and compassion now that heroin is a rural problem) and by law enforcement and the judiciary, where racial bias is well-established in research. I believe that there is evidence that Nixon explicitly said he was pursuing it for that reason (also to go after people on the left).
- legodt 10y ago
  Let me clarify. Jeff Sessions and Steve Bannon are capital R Racists. And now they are in positions of power. People are scared because these people are threatening. If you aren't scared, maybe you should talk to the people who are now living in fear rather than staying in your bubble of privilige. This isn't meant to shame you or put you down for being in a position of privilige, but instead encourage you to start looking at things more intersectionality. Quick example, Mike Pence has come forward in favor of conversion therapy, a violent electroshock regiment combined with mental abuse to "convert" gay youth to being straight. It has an 800% increase in suicides among "outpatients." If you are straight, this might not scare you. But, if you don't have that privilege and identify as lgbtq+, you don't have as much as a choice but to be terrified that this man is one heartbeat from the presidency and has been promised by the president to have a large amount of influence in the administration. https://theintercept.com/2016/11/18/career-racist-jeff-sessions-is-donald-trumps-pick-for-attorney-general/ https://theintercept.com/2016/11/18/career-racist-jeff-sessi... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/18/that-time-the-senate-denied-jeff-sessions-a-federal-judgeship-over-accusations-of-racism/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/18/th... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/steve-bannon-white-house-racism-fear https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/steve-bannon... http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/opinions/trump-bannon-ben-ghiat/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/opinions/trump-bannon-ben-ghia... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-trumps-new-chief-strategist-a-racist-critics-say-so/2016/11/14/b72e2ab0-aa9d-11e6-a31b-4b6397e625d0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-trumps-new-chief-...
  - marcoperaza 10y ago
    Show me evidence that Jeff Sessions is racist, or that Mike Pence supports electrocution therapy. These are wild allegations with no factual basis. The "articles" that you link are just opinion pieces that are themselves devoid of real evidence. Please call out in particular what evidence would lead you to make these vicious allegations against these two men.
    - legodt 10y ago
      Okay, here is an addition he made to a bill for providing government funding to help people with HIV/AIDs "Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior." If that doesn't scare you, I'm scared of you. I'm tired of racists pretending to be victims and using the language of the left when they are called out on their bigotry, please stop perpetuating this. Edit from the future: The Southern Poverty Law Center also agrees on this https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/18/jeff-sessions-champion-anti-muslim-and-anti-immigrant-extremists https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/18/jeff-sessions...

unimpressive 10y ago

If you'll notice, everything in that statement was strictly factual. While the Mussolini vibes Trump gives off are moderately concerning, I'm much more concerned that our government is already configured such that you can plop a dictator in the cockpit and they don't have to do any extra work for totalitarian surveillance. Also you're right, the president does not have total power over this country. Which is why it's fortunate for the president elect that he has a cooperating house and senate.