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Okay, across the entire planet we're loosing hundreds of millions of jobs and creating hundreds of thousands. In any of these companies we don't have hundreds

Okay, across the entire planet we're loosing hundreds of millions of jobs and creating hundreds of thousands. In any of these companies we don't have hundreds of creative jobs, there are a hand full of writing, presenting, editing jobs, etc. Most work is in marketing, admin, and support. Service jobs which can be automated with some oversight. What made you think this scenario is doom and gloom? I'm looking forwards to working a 3 day weeks as a software specification writer to supplement my universal basic income, while I sit next to a cabin by a remote lake using my SpaceX internet service.

dogma1138 10y ago
Which is why I specifically made an argument that this is going to affect the developing world considerably more than the west, in fact I would argue that this will affect the developing world exclusively in the long run. The fact that I can get Nike shoes made at on the 3D printer at the local corner shop won't affect me, it will affect the people in Bangladesh and the Philippines that used to make my overpriced shoes. In fact it might even give my next door art major neighbour a new job opportunity because I might just adore their new leopard print digital camo design they came up with and they'll get 15$ when I print my new pair of shoes. And besides my neighbour I might also give 28$ to that new hot YC startup that does a 3D print scan of your body, performs a gate analysis on your walk or run, and then produces a specific sole profile unique to your body and gate. The problem with this is as I stated that this effectively cuts out the rest of the world from the west because we don't need them anymore, if they aren't our food basket or our clothing and gadget factory then they effectively have no interactions with us. And please don't confuse this as some statement of superiority or support for some isolationist costs it's just harsh reality that many people wouldn't even know Bangladesh exists if they didn't had to read the washing label on their jeans once in awhile.
- disordinary 10y ago
  I'd hope that companies like Nike are struggling in a society like this and that much like the music industry we cut out the middleman and have the designers selling directly to consumers, but that's besides the point. We turn into a bunch of artisans and crafters, your neighbor is a fashion designer. I'm curious as to what you do in this scenario? If most people truly don't know where Bangledesh is, then one positive side effect fore free time could be more education. :)
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Maybe I'm also a designer that just invented a new shade of purple? I don't know what I would do, but I can tell you that when I was born there were no BI specialists, SEO consultants, penetration testers and home automation experts. One of the privileges of living in the west is that as harsh as it may sound we don't live to feed or clothe ourselves like people in many other parts of the world do, sure if you lose your job you can't pay rent, but you have considerably better means of adaption. And hey if automation is such a threat to the skilled and educated labor force that all of a sudden all these highly paid developers are out of a job we might get more and better teachers. As for the Nike thing, we might cut out the middleman but honestly more likely they'll evolve to be a service provider so your local shoe store will have a specialized 3D printer developed by Nike or Asics. You'll still need people to develop the tools, you still need people to do research into new materials and production techniques, you still need advertisers and managers, a lot of hard and soft skills jobs aren't going anywhere they just are moved to a different place in the supply chain.
anigbrowl 10y ago
to supplement my universal basic income Ah, you're going to supplement your future income stream that doesn't exist yet. Good luck with that.
- disordinary 10y ago
  We're obviously talking about a medium term scenario here. Did you think any of the above conversation took place in the world today?

dogma1138 10y ago

Which is why I specifically made an argument that this is going to affect the developing world considerably more than the west, in fact I would argue that this will affect the developing world exclusively in the long run. The fact that I can get Nike shoes made at on the 3D printer at the local corner shop won't affect me, it will affect the people in Bangladesh and the Philippines that used to make my overpriced shoes. In fact it might even give my next door art major neighbour a new job opportunity because I might just adore their new leopard print digital camo design they came up with and they'll get 15$ when I print my new pair of shoes. And besides my neighbour I might also give 28$ to that new hot YC startup that does a 3D print scan of your body, performs a gate analysis on your walk or run, and then produces a specific sole profile unique to your body and gate. The problem with this is as I stated that this effectively cuts out the rest of the world from the west because we don't need them anymore, if they aren't our food basket or our clothing and gadget factory then they effectively have no interactions with us. And please don't confuse this as some statement of superiority or support for some isolationist costs it's just harsh reality that many people wouldn't even know Bangladesh exists if they didn't had to read the washing label on their jeans once in awhile.

disordinary 10y ago
I'd hope that companies like Nike are struggling in a society like this and that much like the music industry we cut out the middleman and have the designers selling directly to consumers, but that's besides the point. We turn into a bunch of artisans and crafters, your neighbor is a fashion designer. I'm curious as to what you do in this scenario? If most people truly don't know where Bangledesh is, then one positive side effect fore free time could be more education. :)
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Maybe I'm also a designer that just invented a new shade of purple? I don't know what I would do, but I can tell you that when I was born there were no BI specialists, SEO consultants, penetration testers and home automation experts. One of the privileges of living in the west is that as harsh as it may sound we don't live to feed or clothe ourselves like people in many other parts of the world do, sure if you lose your job you can't pay rent, but you have considerably better means of adaption. And hey if automation is such a threat to the skilled and educated labor force that all of a sudden all these highly paid developers are out of a job we might get more and better teachers. As for the Nike thing, we might cut out the middleman but honestly more likely they'll evolve to be a service provider so your local shoe store will have a specialized 3D printer developed by Nike or Asics. You'll still need people to develop the tools, you still need people to do research into new materials and production techniques, you still need advertisers and managers, a lot of hard and soft skills jobs aren't going anywhere they just are moved to a different place in the supply chain.

anigbrowl 10y ago

to supplement my universal basic income Ah, you're going to supplement your future income stream that doesn't exist yet. Good luck with that.

disordinary 10y ago
We're obviously talking about a medium term scenario here. Did you think any of the above conversation took place in the world today?