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Note that #14 is simply a version of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words Besides being cute in makin

by hga 10y ago

Note that #14 is simply a version of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words Besides being cute in making it #14, I suspect he felt it needs to be explicitly stated since its inverse is an explicit goal of our enemies. Although Vox Day himself isn't "white", and I'll note as a matter of taxonomy divides the Alt Right into the Alt West and Alt White, the latter a very small subset. The general answer to the apparent contradiction is generally found in the other points and implied in #15: complete separation, e.g. #11 "The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war." No proximity, no war of that sort e.g. embedded in those laws you refer to, and therefore no problems with #14 of those sorts. Also, I should make clear this is Vox Day's first cut of a statement of what the Alt Right is, but he thinks it's solid enough to get it translated into quite a few languages now. But the Alt Right is still seriously inchoate.

nickpsecurity 10y ago
Interesting. I do understand the concept of having an inverse. A person in West Tennessee explained to me why she discouraged whites and blacks marrying. Seems like pure hatefulness at the start. No, her concern was that they rarely have white kids. Enough of it happening would eliminate the white race. Other races also work hard to preserve their ethnic history, especially cosmetic stuff. I don't see it as any different so long as laws aren't passed for banning it or people hated on for not following the preference. That is, I don't like it but I understand it's similar to what other groups do. "#11 "The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war." That needs some explanation. What does that mean exactly?
- hga 10y ago
  #11 "The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war." It means if you put enough people of different identities in close proximity, the inevitable result is "war". Maybe not Yugoslavia type war, but warfare of one type or another, including "simple" economic warfare, which was one of the causes of The War Between the States, and had been a frequent problem for the young Republic prior to that, but it also happens on very small scales, see for example the various non-native merchant classes in so many countries, and that doesn't require large numbers on both sides. There's a social scientist who's research said much the same thing, who published his data early but otherwise sat on his results for more than a decade, Robert Putnam. As Wikipedia puts it, "His conclusion based on over 40 cases and 30,000 people within the United States is that, other things being equal, more diversity in a community is associated with less trust both between and within ethnic groups." (emphasis in original: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and_trust_within_communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and...).

by hga 10y ago

nickpsecurity 10y ago

Interesting. I do understand the concept of having an inverse. A person in West Tennessee explained to me why she discouraged whites and blacks marrying. Seems like pure hatefulness at the start. No, her concern was that they rarely have white kids. Enough of it happening would eliminate the white race. Other races also work hard to preserve their ethnic history, especially cosmetic stuff. I don't see it as any different so long as laws aren't passed for banning it or people hated on for not following the preference. That is, I don't like it but I understand it's similar to what other groups do. "#11 "The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war." That needs some explanation. What does that mean exactly?

hga 10y ago
#11 "The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war." It means if you put enough people of different identities in close proximity, the inevitable result is "war". Maybe not Yugoslavia type war, but warfare of one type or another, including "simple" economic warfare, which was one of the causes of The War Between the States, and had been a frequent problem for the young Republic prior to that, but it also happens on very small scales, see for example the various non-native merchant classes in so many countries, and that doesn't require large numbers on both sides. There's a social scientist who's research said much the same thing, who published his data early but otherwise sat on his results for more than a decade, Robert Putnam. As Wikipedia puts it, "His conclusion based on over 40 cases and 30,000 people within the United States is that, other things being equal, more diversity in a community is associated with less trust both between and within ethnic groups." (emphasis in original: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and_trust_within_communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and...).